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20130215 09:02:02 <xranby> (17:15:43) sgothel: so they do use GL2ES2 now ? <-- not yet they currently still target the GL2 profile (worldwind)
20130215 11:54:56 <sgothel> http://www.flickr.com/photos/eumetsat/8474853633/ holy moly
20130215 11:55:07 <sgothel> .. and good morning :)
20130215 11:55:49 <sgothel> (German: http://scienceblogs.de/frischer-wind/2013/02/15/faszinierende-videos-vom-meteoritenniedergang-uber-dem-ural/ - Meteoroid downs over Ural)
20130215 11:56:11 <xranby> http://say26.com/meteorite-in-russia-all-videos-in-one-place
20130215 12:02:12 <sgothel> .. the 2nd OSX 'leak' is related to not having allocated the CALayer on the 'Main-Thread' .. hence the very delayed release .. hence I tried to force release earlier (which was wrong) .. interesting little detail w/ our 'beloved' OSX :)
20130215 12:02:30 <xranby> https://twitter.com/RussianMeteor
20130215 12:03:46 <sgothel> well .. since music didn't help yet (do we have songs asking for SFO (solid flying objects from outta space) 'defence' ?) .. maybe this does :|
20130215 12:05:04 <sgothel> .. the more I think about it .. actually awesome, could also consume all the money .. but less death compared to military spending :)
20130215 12:07:13 <xranby> well lets see how the day turns out this was the baby in front of the real love hugger
20130215 12:07:40 <sgothel> yup .. plus the other one I mentioned 1-2 month ago .. etc etc
20130215 12:08:00 <sgothel> Dinosaurs: Welcome to the club :)
20130215 12:09:42 <sgothel> http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2013/feb/14/how-to-watch-asteroid-2012-da14-earth 17k mile .. _tight_baby_ !
20130215 12:12:57 <sgothel> It is so 'funny'. If this would be a strategic board game - humans survival, I would simply put a lot into this asteroid defense thing, since it really could have an impact compared to all the silly human wars. But it seems authorities do play a different game :)
20130215 12:47:00 <xranby> sgothel: the quality of the opensource opengl drivers have definately started to mature, i look forward to be able to test the opensource nvidia, ardreno and mali drivers
20130215 12:47:28 <xranby> sgothel: the only chip that keeps resistant to reverse engineering effort is the SGX
20130215 12:47:32 <sgothel> hmmm
20130215 12:47:55 <xranby> because its highlt parallel and locking primitives based
20130215 12:48:18 <xranby> the people who have looked at it notice that it require 16 locking primitives to render a single triangle using the SGX
20130215 12:49:55 <sgothel> I thought they all wanted to bring open source embedded drivers .. NVidia, Samsung, .. even Ti ..
20130215 12:50:22 <sgothel> but they are all bloody young I guess ..
20130215 12:50:37 <xranby> nvidia have only released opensource 2d drivers
20130215 12:50:46 <xranby> samsung and ti dont own the drivers
20130215 12:50:56 <xranby> but yes they want but they cant
20130215 12:51:01 <sgothel> a private company works w/ NVidia on open source drivers
20130215 12:51:12 <xranby> that is good
20130215 12:51:29 <xranby> intel have got it, they have pushed all their opengl es 3 drivers into mesa
20130215 12:51:36 <sgothel> Samsung wants to open up .. at least what I have heard
20130215 12:51:47 <sgothel> Intel .. well :)
20130215 12:52:12 <sgothel> they play their role as the underdog well, yes.
20130215 12:52:41 <xranby> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/log/?h=gles3
20130215 12:52:51 <xranby> this is how the rest should play it IMHO
20130215 12:52:59 <sgothel> guess either it's the reverse-engineered Mali .. or Samsung/ARM will join
20130215 12:53:05 <sgothel> ofc .. ofc
20130215 12:53:15 <sgothel> 'but' .. it's known why :)
20130215 12:53:48 <sgothel> business case ofc .. server marked .. not really '3d' etc etc
20130215 12:54:06 <sgothel> too bad AMD is not back to mobile
20130215 12:54:07 <xranby> intel got 20+ engineers working on the opensource drivers for what i have read
20130215 12:54:16 <xranby> and they still hire
20130215 12:54:35 <sgothel> yup .. very cost effective and nice style, kudos to Intel
20130215 12:55:20 <sgothel> hope they keep it that way when they do more mobile stuff
20130215 12:56:28 <sgothel> but more kudos to AMD in this regard, since it wasn't a pure business case but sort of passion
20130215 12:57:06 <sgothel> has Intel still their proprietary compiler ?
20130215 12:57:22 <sgothel> or did they join gcc/llvm ?
20130215 12:58:24 <xranby> they got some special intel gcc but it is gcc
20130215 13:01:53 <xranby> the parallel intel compiler cilkplus is merged into gcc
20130215 13:02:12 <sgothel> hohoho .. quite a progress since 2009
20130215 13:02:48 <sgothel> you are our 'intel' man :) (intelligence)
20130215 13:02:55 <xranby> it will be part of gcc 4.8
20130215 13:03:27 <xranby> sgothel: heh, you say i picked the wrong carreer? D)
20130215 13:03:30 <xranby> B)
20130215 13:03:38 <xranby> googles on
20130215 13:04:13 <sgothel> me using lxquick go go duck .. etc :)
20130215 13:29:58 <xranby> Have spent 2 days understanding why the USB stack inside a MCU stopped working, turned out the compilers def optimization level OPT it away.
20130215 13:30:13 <xranby> I was quite worried for a moment because my process IS to read out debug messages and setup the device across that USB cable :P
20130215 13:30:19 <xranby> everything apart from the USB that got OPT away was working like LCD, EEPROM, timers & buttons. The opt reduced the program by 2%!
20130215 13:31:01 <xranby> it got sorted when i had this aha moment questioning why the binary looked so much thinner compared to before
20130215 13:31:33 <xranby> sorry i had to ventilate :)
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20130215 13:33:02 <sgothel> http://forum.jogamp.org/Bug-688-Removal-of-NEWT-KeyEvent-EVENT-KEY-TYPED-and-KeyListener-keyTyped-KeyEvent-td4028193.html <- some support please for Bug 688 and the removal of TYPED events - PLEASE :)
20130215 13:33:21 <sgothel> reduce 1/3 of event payload
20130215 13:34:13 <xranby> good, i can clean up the raspberry pi code
20130215 13:34:33 <xranby> that still generate extra TYPED
20130215 13:35:22 <xranby> ( i still dont know how to handle system keymaps w/o X11)
20130215 13:35:41 <juank_prada> Hi guys, I asked this yesterday but it was late and didnt get any response, so Im asking again. Do you know how to setup jogl with apache Ivy? i've managed to get some of the dependencies but not everything isdownloaded from the maven repo
20130215 13:36:22 <xranby> which maven name do you use?
20130215 13:36:42 <xranby> http://search.maven.org/#search|ga|1|jogamp
20130215 13:37:41 <xranby> try use http://search.maven.org/#artifactdetails|org.jogamp.gluegen|gluegen-rt|2.0-rc11|jar and http://search.maven.org/#artifactdetails|org.jogamp.jogl|jogl-all|2.0-rc11|jar
20130215 13:38:20 <xranby> you have ivy example dependency lines inside both of those URL
20130215 13:38:44 <xranby> under dependency information
20130215 13:38:52 <xranby> juank_prada: ^
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20130215 13:39:47 * rmk0 eyes suspiciously
20130215 13:39:48 <sgothel> @XRanby: Let me fix Bug 678 first - Fixing 688 is easy and I can do that alone
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20130215 13:40:09 <sgothel> What I would like to have is written consent or discussion in that email/bug report 688 :)
20130215 13:40:25 <sgothel> right now: pro: rami, sven, con: julien
20130215 13:40:45 <sgothel> very funny Mark :_)
20130215 13:40:56 <rmk0> /o\
20130215 13:41:18 <juank_prada> xranby: thank you!
20130215 13:41:53 <xranby> juank_prada: great that rmk0's maven upload work for your IVY needs as well!
20130215 13:42:29 * rmk0 is relieved
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20130215 13:43:50 <rmk0> sgothel: i'm for the changes in 688, but that's sort of unfair given that i've not got any programs that depend on the removed parts
20130215 13:43:53 <xranby> Its cool that uploadsd to maven central work for Apache Maven, Apache Buildr, Apache Ivy, Groovy Grape, Grails & Scala SBT. awesome!
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20130215 13:49:21 <rmk0> i'm just glad they actually agree on a standard package format
20130215 13:49:51 <rmk0> i'd hate to have to manage six sets of almost-identical packages
20130215 13:50:36 <sgothel> me getting a headache :)
20130215 13:50:38 <juank_prada> well I just noticed something, the jars i get when using ivy are different from the ones i get when using maven
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20130215 13:51:27 <juank_prada> with ivy i get a jogl-all-2.0-rc11.jar and gluegen-rt-2.0-rc11.jar but i dont get the natives
20130215 13:51:51 <xranby> juank_prada: file a bug with the maven central ivy people
20130215 13:51:57 <xranby> its clear that they should be included
20130215 13:52:00 <xranby> from those URL
20130215 13:52:11 <xranby> post the two URL i gave you to them
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20130215 13:52:27 <juank_prada> xranby: got it, im going to do it now
20130215 13:52:29 <xranby> http://search.maven.org/#artifactdetails|org.jogamp.gluegen|gluegen-rt|2.0-rc11|jar and http://search.maven.org/#artifactdetails|org.jogamp.jogl|jogl-all|2.0-rc11|jar
20130215 13:53:33 <rmk0> that is definitely a bug, if those dependencies aren't pulled in
20130215 13:54:08 <sgothel> how about .. OSGi ? .. haha :)
20130215 13:54:25 * rmk0 bursts
20130215 13:54:52 <sgothel> http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/Ha_Ha! :)
20130215 13:54:54 <xranby> i got one device that use OSGi, a buglabs bugbase
20130215 13:55:10 <sgothel> .. shall we offer bundles now ?
20130215 13:55:16 <xranby> NO :)
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20130215 13:55:30 <xranby> well i dont think the bug can use hardware acceleration
20130215 13:55:39 <xranby> so it would be kind of pointless for this usecase
20130215 13:55:49 <xranby> hmm maybe it can
20130215 13:55:53 <juank_prada> xranby: hmm any idea where should i report the issue? im looking for a place in the maven central repo but could not find it
20130215 13:56:07 <xranby> juank_prada: try the FEEDBACK flap on the two URL
20130215 13:56:21 <xranby> a large rectangle to the right
20130215 13:56:43 <xranby> and thens elect problem
20130215 13:56:45 <juank_prada> duh, im so stupid... or blind... whatever, thanks
20130215 13:56:46 <xranby> select
20130215 13:57:05 <xranby> no worries, i had no idea the flap existed before like 15seconds ago
20130215 13:58:06 <xranby> interesting,, you have to specify "mood" for the bugreport
20130215 13:58:24 <xranby> "it makes me feel" Happy/Silly/INdifferent/Sad
20130215 13:58:42 <xranby> under optional details
20130215 13:58:55 <rmk0> heh
20130215 13:59:15 <rmk0> it'd take a strong commitment to lack of commitment to explicitly file that you feel "indifferent"
20130215 14:02:06 <sgothel> http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/Okily_Dokily!
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20130215 14:07:11 <juank_prada> so any idea on how to workaround the ivy issue on the maven repo (other than manually downloading the jars?
20130215 14:08:33 <xranby> juank_prada: if that solves it then you know how to workaround it
20130215 14:08:42 <xranby> by downloading the jars that is
20130215 14:09:14 <juank_prada> well its not like it solves it, because it pretty much means dropping Ivy and just stick to plain Ant
20130215 14:09:28 <xranby> juank_prada: like rmk0 said, if ivy fails to downoad all dependencies it is a bug in maven central or ivy
20130215 14:09:59 <juank_prada> yup i know... i just thought you may know of some other way to get the dependencies
20130215 14:10:01 <xranby> juank_prada: ivy maybe got some place it downloads the jars
20130215 14:10:06 <xranby> try place the jars there
20130215 14:10:09 <juank_prada> yup
20130215 14:10:32 <xranby> the way to get the dependencies is to add the two ivy dependency lines
20130215 14:10:42 <xranby> if that feals,, then it beats me :)
20130215 14:10:51 <xranby> fails
20130215 14:11:12 <juank_prada> ok ok thanks
20130215 14:11:17 <juank_prada> ill stick to plain Ant
20130215 14:11:30 <xranby> ok, we support ant so why not :)
20130215 14:11:38 <juank_prada> hehe
20130215 14:17:03 <rmk0> juank_prada: add an explicit dependency on the jogl-all package and all of the native jars
20130215 14:17:33 <rmk0> in other words... duplicate the dependency lines from jogl-all-main
20130215 14:17:44 <rmk0> it's unpleasant, but if ivy is broken in that way then there's not much choice
20130215 14:17:59 <juank_prada> rmk0: gonna check that, thanks
20130215 14:18:12 <rmk0> the jogl-all-main and gluegen-rt-main packages are really just a convenience
20130215 14:21:26 <rmk0> er, same goes for gluegen-rt, if that wasn't obvious
20130215 14:46:56 <xranby> sgothel: i tested the new EFL header parser under MeeGo, it work
20130215 14:47:07 <sgothel> sweet - thx
20130215 14:47:17 <sgothel> *ELF
20130215 14:47:50 <xranby> sgothel: when running joal tests i notice that jogamp looks for xprof and this causes a runtime exception on meego because xprof is not use by the meego x11
20130215 14:48:05 <xranby> -Djava.awt.headless=True workaround
20130215 14:48:16 <xranby> i have to check if its inside openjdk itself
20130215 14:48:46 <sgothel> probably .. however, indeed .. JOAL needs to become platform agnostic
20130215 14:49:10 <xranby> the openal-soft lib in joal at least loaded under meego as well!
20130215 14:49:22 <sgothel> armv7 I assume ..
20130215 14:49:26 <xranby> yes
20130215 14:49:50 <xranby> its an armv7 cortex-a8+SGX chip like the beagleboard
20130215 14:49:58 <xranby> omap based
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20130215 14:52:44 <xranby> sgothel: the bad news is that no sound gets played by the phone speakers.. and no errors from joal :(((
20130215 14:53:12 <xranby> maybe it tries to use pulseaudio but dont complain if its not there
20130215 14:53:14 <xranby> etc
20130215 14:58:08 <xranby> opengl es 2 work
20130215 14:58:13 <xranby> so at least something is
20130215 14:59:14 <sgothel> hmm .. can't use something if it's not there .. or - you have pulseaudio client libs installed ?
20130215 14:59:24 <sgothel> flush them .. to test
20130215 14:59:44 <sgothel> then .. we would need a patch to openal-soft .. to not use it ..
20130215 15:00:17 <xranby> its too bad that the nokia enginers who made the phone dont work at nokia
20130215 15:00:28 <xranby> it owuld been easier to ask for support if they did
20130215 15:01:10 <xranby> right now i have a mystery how audio and video decoding is done on the phone
20130215 15:01:20 <xranby> no libav installed
20130215 15:01:28 <xranby> but the native meego aps plays video like a champ
20130215 15:02:07 <xranby> etc.. the jogamp movie cube turns into a spinning beachball with its test picture
20130215 15:02:36 <xranby> hmm i have to test the UI demos
20130215 15:02:41 <xranby> on the meego
20130215 15:10:44 <xranby> https://twitter.com/xranby/status/302434693666705408/photo/1
20130215 15:11:55 <xranby> ehrmygerd!
20130215 15:11:57 <xranby> it work :)
20130215 15:12:12 <xranby> amazing stuff
20130215 15:12:32 <xranby> i can click it
20130215 15:12:58 <xranby> and its superfast
20130215 15:13:36 <xranby> well 54fps
20130215 15:13:53 <xranby> oh no 66.2 fps at its peak
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20130215 15:22:04 <xranby> <5% CPU on a Nokia N9 phone
20130215 15:22:34 <xranby> i have a hard time even getting the java process into the CPU log
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20130215 19:13:10 <gouessej> Hi
20130215 19:13:37 <gouessej> Sven, what is your position about this? http://forum.jogamp.org/JInput-Delivery-tp4028209p4028219.html
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