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20130313 20:19:08 <sgothel> Updated https://jogamp.org/wiki/index.php/Jogl_FAQ#Bugreports_.26_Testing
20130313 20:19:34 <sgothel> .. and related pages for downloading aggregated build & installing it, plus the test.sh and test_dbg.sh usage
20130313 20:20:14 <hharrison> nice
20130313 20:21:15 <hharrison> I may have some bandwidth in the next 2-3 days to look at that pngj patch that came by (indexed png)
20130313 20:21:16 <sgothel> Bug 665 is almost done .. then heading back to the remaining OSX CALayer issues ..
20130313 20:21:27 <sgothel> nice - thx
20130313 20:21:36 <sgothel> yes, so many things to do ..
20130313 20:21:52 <sgothel> will you be at Siggraph 2013 ?
20130313 20:22:15 <hharrison> Doesn't look good at this point
20130313 20:22:20 <sgothel> :(
20130313 20:22:36 <sgothel> .. and it's so close to BC
20130313 20:24:12 <hharrison> I know, simulation conference in Toronto the week before that I'm already committed to
20130313 20:24:24 <sgothel> oh ..
20130313 20:24:56 <sgothel> well, if you like & can - you can prepare slides and show us what to show .. put your name in slides
20130313 20:25:02 <hharrison> It's at least still possible, maybe convince the wife that a Disneyland trip would be good for her ;-)
20130313 20:25:17 <hharrison> I can commit to some slide content
20130313 20:25:40 <sgothel> Soon I have to bug companies to find sponsoring for JogAmp contributors to do the trip :)
20130313 20:26:19 <sgothel> I already asked my wife & boss, we will put some money in the bucket.
20130313 20:26:20 <hharrison> Yeah, it's close enough that money isn't really the issue, more the two weeks in a row away
20130313 20:27:05 <sgothel> yup .. sucks, personally and professional .. sort of a vacation .. maybe inspiration, at least always good to meet in person
20130313 20:27:23 <hharrison> Yeah...for siggraph 2014 I have no excuse
20130313 20:27:53 <sgothel> so great you add some slides https://jogamp.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=661 - contains all links
20130313 20:28:16 <sgothel> hope BOF gets approved soon (should be no problem) .. and maybe the mobile session as well
20130313 20:28:35 <sgothel> just use git .. you know it .. so update slides :)
20130313 20:28:53 <sgothel> Mark ? Anybody else ?
20130313 20:28:57 <sgothel> Xerxes ?
20130313 20:29:07 <sgothel> Brice ?
20130313 20:30:34 <sgothel> Whoever provides slides: Use a few images/screenshots - always !
20130313 20:31:13 <sgothel> .. and please add your name in the slide itself (if you are not on-site, especially) and in the credit page.
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20130313 21:00:22 <gouessej> Hi
20130313 21:00:49 <gouessej> Sven, I have just made a pull request
20130313 21:01:17 <gouessej> ct's fix looks good but I have tried to minimize the necessary changes
20130313 21:02:00 <gouessej> I don't understand why JavaFX causes some troubles in factories
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20130313 21:14:35 <rmk0> work on the game has stalled, unfortunately... i don't have anything to show for it yet
20130313 21:14:54 <rmk0> mildly depressing myself with my lack of progress
20130313 21:16:47 <rmk0> i've ended up writing a very minimal replacement for jenkins in the past two months
20130313 21:16:58 <rmk0> only useful for projects built with maven at the moment
20130313 21:17:17 <sgothel> oh ..
20130313 21:18:07 <sgothel> well, you still could elaborate on your findings, evaluation of technology etc - which is for sure interesting while showing a few technical cases ?
20130313 21:18:33 <sgothel> maybe this will give you a little more motivation .. hmm .. pep pep pep talk :)
20130313 21:18:59 <sgothel> replacing jenkins ?
20130313 21:19:15 <rmk0> hehe
20130313 21:19:26 <rmk0> yeah... i tried setting up jenkins here
20130313 21:19:37 <sgothel> crazy .. so this is a huuuggge thing then .. i.e. years of hacking jenkins to be replaced ?
20130313 21:19:40 <rmk0> discovered that it couldn't do what i wanted without some truly insane and poorly documented plugins
20130313 21:19:55 <rmk0> and i had to write a plugin for it to support fossil, too
20130313 21:20:06 <sgothel> yeah I remember that
20130313 21:20:09 <rmk0> eventually ripped out the entire installation in disgust and started on a replacement
20130313 21:20:20 <sgothel> hmm
20130313 21:20:47 <rmk0> only got a few smallish things left to implement and i can "release" it
20130313 21:21:31 <rmk0> it's actually written in scala
20130313 21:21:53 <rmk0> the "not really a very good functional language" functional language
20130313 21:22:02 <sgothel> interesting for sure - well, I try to understand and cleanup a system a lot .. knowing it's a pain, often feel the urge to dump things. but then .. well, if it is fixable ..
20130313 21:22:12 <rmk0> hehe, yes
20130313 21:22:21 <rmk0> i delayed the destruction of jenkins to the last possible moment
20130313 21:22:27 <sgothel> while using scala .. ofc you reduce the readers :)
20130313 21:22:28 <rmk0> "i really don't want to write this, but... i'm gonna"
20130313 21:22:42 <rmk0> \o/
20130313 21:22:59 <sgothel> oh well .. then you may either get famous .. or have to do all maintenance yourself :)
20130313 21:23:14 <rmk0> yep
20130313 21:23:39 <rmk0> i think the codebase falls into a nice area where both java and scala programmers will sneer at it
20130313 21:24:09 <sgothel> good luck with that, honestly. I have spend many many hours w/ jenkins myself .. and it is somewhat lacking reliability here and there .. (reset nodes, flush workspace, doesn't wait for jobs, ... etc etc)
20130313 21:24:47 <sgothel> however, the attempt to 'start from scratch' to clean things up .. is sort of untrue - since when it becomes famous, it may get 'big' as well :)
20130313 21:25:07 <sgothel> sure .. learning from mistakes .. and having a better design is cool
20130313 21:25:09 <rmk0> yeah, it probably won't appeal to a lot of existing jenkins users
20130313 21:25:27 <rmk0> i've handled one specific case: a lot of dumb machines that must all build a given task
20130313 21:25:42 <sgothel> last year I did the LOC analysis whether JOGL became bloated .. and to my satisfaction and became more clear / smaller in some OO sections
20130313 21:25:49 <rmk0> it was hard to actually get jenkins to do that... i could often get it to send to maybe one or two nodes
20130313 21:26:03 <rmk0> couldn't reliably get it to run a job *ON ALL NODES DAMNIT*
20130313 21:26:09 <sgothel> :(
20130313 21:26:29 <sgothel> that always happens here when I have to do a release :)
20130313 21:26:37 <rmk0> i can imagine!
20130313 21:26:55 <sgothel> kick-off, stop, delete, restart, .. hours ..
20130313 21:26:57 <rmk0> in this system, nodes log in and get a list of tasks, and then build up to N in parallel
20130313 21:27:17 <rmk0> they'll always see jobs that were created before they logged in, and so on
20130313 21:27:23 <sgothel> so .. while we are at this .. I have a wishlist from my experience:
20130313 21:28:04 <sgothel> ohh .. dinner - we shall discuss this later - but for sure!
20130313 21:28:15 <rmk0> enjoy!
20130313 21:28:18 <sgothel> maybe it's the next big thing ..
20130313 21:28:31 <sgothel> but do I want to learn scala .. hmm :)
20130313 21:28:48 <sgothel> thx .. laters - and pls consider showing something at siggraph .. or 'just' join us!
20130313 21:29:23 <rmk0> we'll see
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