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20130418 17:35:59 <sgothel> Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" release first weekend of May. ? .. Hurry .. hurry :)
20130418 17:36:14 <sgothel> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2013/04/msg00006.html
20130418 17:36:59 <sgothel> yeah .. Bug 718 is killing me - hope current fix will work and 719/720 won't cause regressions
20130418 17:37:46 <sgothel> even though I have seen one 'funny' freeze on OpenIndiana w/ NV driver
20130418 17:38:33 <sgothel> and X11 RandR 1.3 supports seems to be required now, otherwise no good data on refresh rate etc
20130418 17:38:45 <sgothel> (Bug 721)
20130418 17:53:58 <sgothel> weather warning :) http://jogamp.org/git/?p=jogl.git;a=commit;h=0a9ecf74540659a3258ea71d3355eeb45697db96
20130418 17:58:00 <sgothel> anybody likes to fix the HDR demo using a manual floating point texture creation (ARB/GL3) ?
20130418 17:58:17 <sgothel> .. in jogl-demos
20130418 17:59:13 <sgothel> I sacrificed floating point render-to-texture in GLPbuffer (deprecated) for Bug 720 http://jogamp.org/git/?p=jogl.git;a=commit;h=fd418a69eca7b8c1bb74244982305fc6004d0a52
20130418 17:59:35 <sgothel> .. removed 14 classes :)
20130418 18:28:29 <xranby_ac100> sgothel: some say its spring, some say its refactoring
20130418 18:28:55 <xranby_ac100> sgothel: nice spring cleanup
20130418 18:32:07 <xranby_ac100> sgothel: so most likely wheezy will use jogamp rc11 then
20130418 18:32:14 <xranby_ac100> hmm
20130418 18:32:55 <sgothel> don't know .. maybe we should ping Sylvestro ?
20130418 18:33:11 <sgothel> i.e. get a deadline .. and align w/ it
20130418 18:33:32 <sgothel> i.e. mark a release .. hopefully end of this month would be OK ..
20130418 18:33:44 <sgothel> .. or end of this week :)
20130418 18:34:23 <sgothel> could be a cut-off release .. and cont. stuff for 2.0.3
20130418 18:36:19 <xranby_ac100> sgothel: distributions move slow... [  wheezy  == 2.0-rc5-2 ] [  sid == 2.0-rc8-3  ] [  experimental == 2.0-rc11-1~exp5 ]
20130418 18:37:36 <xranby_ac100> http://packages.qa.debian.org/libj/libjogl2-java.html
20130418 18:38:26 <sgothel> so .. no 'problem' :)
20130418 18:38:33 <sgothel> i.e. not even in 'testing' .. hmm
20130418 18:39:05 <xranby_ac100> the reason is that rc8 + generates a different set of debian packages compared to rc5
20130418 18:39:16 <sgothel> hmm
20130418 18:39:33 <xranby_ac100> and this prevents the distribution to "upgrade" fearing breaking all debian packages depending on the missing debian artifacts
20130418 18:39:35 <xranby_ac100> http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=libjogl2-java
20130418 18:40:11 <xranby_ac100> and since there is no bugs filed
20130418 18:40:19 <xranby_ac100> debian assumes the current package is fine
20130418 18:40:29 <xranby_ac100> from debian standpoint
20130418 18:40:36 <sgothel> well, it's Sylvestre's baby ..
20130418 18:40:51 <sgothel> so he should file a bug report for his Sci* (?) package
20130418 18:41:14 <sgothel> SciLab
20130418 18:42:00 <xranby_ac100> ok lets talk to sylvestre and hehe break debian release date :)
20130418 18:42:30 <sgothel> thats what downstream should do, not us (or at least not me) - funny how Julien restarted this in Bug 419 .. tsts
20130418 18:42:50 <sgothel> well, I am willing to produce a release for him .. sure
20130418 18:43:05 <sgothel> i.e. align a date .. but no backports!
20130418 18:46:28 <xranby_ac100> hmm one way is to add debian package build scripts in the gluegen jogl jocl joal... source trees
20130418 18:46:46 <xranby_ac100> in order to have jenkins build .deb's
20130418 18:46:58 <sgothel> pls don't ..
20130418 18:47:08 <sgothel> who wants to maintain this ?
20130418 18:47:20 <sgothel> and w/ which deb dependencies etc ?
20130418 18:47:29 <sgothel> IMHO this is HUGE
20130418 18:48:01 <sgothel> well, if you find a way .. to make this effort tiny .. I won't stop you
20130418 18:52:22 <sgothel> Bug 718 is down .. puh
20130418 19:25:07 <xranby_ac100> sgothel: congrats, i am happy it didnt kill you entirely..
20130418 19:25:20 <sgothel> hehe
20130418 19:25:53 <sgothel> solaris failures are due to X11 randr .. -> no issue
20130418 19:26:07 <sgothel> linux-*-amd: I updated the driver .. well
20130418 19:26:19 <sgothel> same w/ solaris actually ..
20130418 19:27:09 <xranby_ac100> sgothel: do you mind ffmpegmediaplayer hacking?
20130418 19:27:33 <sgothel> right ..
20130418 19:27:49 <sgothel> yes .. that will be relaxing .. nice
20130418 19:28:48 <xranby_ac100> fun lets do it
20130418 19:29:56 <sgothel> oh oh .. dinner 1st (in 5 minutes or so) .. ahem, 1-2 hours, but will try to cut it short :)
20130418 19:30:02 <sgothel> fetching your stuff ..
20130418 19:31:00 <sgothel> 2701164a839a652cf099fdd9ff42ecf3d8f67cbd that's it ?
20130418 19:31:37 <sgothel> nice .. i like small code - so no sink yet, that is fine
20130418 19:31:54 <xranby_ac100> yup thats the latest
20130418 19:34:40 <sgothel> nice .. will test it after dinner and try to impl. the AudioSequence in analogy to TextureSequence .. we need that 'API independent' AudioBuffer to return the data, as you wrote
20130418 19:34:59 <sgothel> both *Sequence Frames will have their PTS
20130418 19:35:23 <sgothel> probably we can use the AudioSequence.Frame as a container for the data
20130418 19:35:25 <xranby_ac100> sgothel: ah there is one issue i guess when calculating aPTS i switched data_size that always was 0 for pAV->aFrameSize
20130418 19:36:01 <xranby_ac100> is this ok or should i use some sort of decoded data_size?
20130418 19:36:39 <sgothel> we need decoded data size .. yes
20130418 19:36:48 <xranby_ac100> i am still reading up on general ffmpeg usage, all these timebases confuse me a bit
20130418 19:37:28 <xranby_ac100> hehe, ok this needs fixing when we can sync
20130418 19:38:02 <sgothel> dinner .. laters
20130418 20:18:07 <xranby_ac100> nice PTS DTS terminology is explained here: http://dranger.com/ffmpeg/tutorial05.html
20130418 20:20:09 <sgothel> presentation/decoding time stamp :)
20130418 20:20:15 <sgothel> good ole times
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20130418 20:38:55 <xranby_ac100> https://github.com/chelyaev/ffmpeg-tutorial - updated example code that work out of the box with current libav/ffmpeg for the above mentioned tutorials
20130418 21:35:58 <xranby_ac100> sgothel: i get compile errors now while compiling jogl after the last git pull :/
20130418 21:37:31 <xranby_ac100> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7805589f589294e296d9
20130418 21:38:32 <xranby_ac100> looks like it fails to find the gluegen jars.. hmm!?
20130418 21:38:56 <xranby_ac100> or have you done changes in gluegen that is not yet pushed?
20130418 21:39:11 <sgothel> *scarry* :)
20130418 21:39:44 <sgothel> nope .. and jenkins worked out well ..
20130418 21:40:30 <sgothel> for some reason your gluegen.jar (compile time) seems to be corrupt .. hmm
20130418 21:40:46 <xranby_ac100> you live in the future
20130418 21:41:00 <sgothel> hu?
20130418 21:41:09 <sgothel> ntpd not working ? :)
20130418 21:42:06 <xranby_ac100> looks like it.. all code i checked out got marked in the filesystem april 19 2013
20130418 21:42:13 <xranby_ac100> it is still april 18 here
20130418 21:42:26 <xranby_ac100> summer time i guess
20130418 21:42:30 <sgothel> lol
20130418 21:42:54 <sgothel> berlin 11:42 pm here
20130418 21:43:09 <sgothel> Thu Apr 18 23:43:03 CEST 2013
20130418 21:43:54 <sgothel> S == summertime
20130418 21:44:14 <sgothel> so which machine/server is of fault here ?
20130418 21:45:05 <xranby_ac100> its a mystery check this out: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/e73da8ca955b6247d378
20130418 21:45:42 <sgothel> where did you get those files from ? which git version ?
20130418 21:46:02 <sgothel> maybe you machine has wrong Daylight Savings settings or so ?
20130418 21:46:09 <sgothel> or the tools do something wrong ?
20130418 21:46:26 <sgothel> jogamp: Thu Apr 18 23:46:18 CEST 2013
20130418 21:46:29 <sgothel> OK
20130418 21:47:05 <xranby_ac100> maybe i can compile it tomorrow.. in 14min that is :)
20130418 21:47:14 <sgothel> very funny :)
20130418 21:47:20 <sgothel> where did you get it ? github ?
20130418 21:47:29 <sgothel> pull from fresh and check stamp
20130418 21:47:31 <xranby_ac100> yes checked out from github/sgothel
20130418 21:47:59 <sgothel> cloning ..
20130418 21:48:26 <sgothel> -rw-r--r-- 1 sven sven 1144 Apr 18 23:48 gluegen.iml
20130418 21:48:32 <sgothel> timestamp ok
20130418 21:48:55 <sgothel> must be your machine then
20130418 21:49:05 <sgothel> git version 1.7.10.4
20130418 21:49:33 <sgothel> your TIMEMACHINE :)
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20130418 21:51:03 <xranby_ac100> hehe.. the machine maybe wanted to give back a little time after all hours spent with it ;)
20130418 21:51:23 <sgothel> and when you thought you got most bugs .. https://jogamp.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=722
20130418 21:51:39 <sgothel> should remove it from the matrix :)
20130418 21:52:39 <sgothel> a weird one, from a locked block .. w/ try {} finally {} .. uh .. have to check, fails regularly on that machine (only)
20130418 21:53:17 <xranby_ac100> always large bug there are <yoda>
20130418 21:53:56 <xranby_ac100> t was a good bugreport, saw the forum
20130418 21:54:22 <xranby_ac100> and excellent deductive logic done by you to spot it
20130418 21:54:46 <xranby_ac100> fresh checked out git
20130418 21:54:47 <sgothel> link ? so much discussions and crap going on .. :)
20130418 21:54:49 <xranby_ac100> timestamp ok
20130418 21:54:52 <sgothel> nice
20130418 21:55:18 <xranby_ac100> so maybe a bug in git?!
20130418 21:55:34 <sgothel> maybe .. or .. you know, it's a complex world :)
20130418 21:55:38 <xranby_ac100> anyway i will not look into it now i will try compile jogl
20130418 21:55:40 <sgothel> your git version ?
20130418 21:56:01 <xranby_ac100> 1.7.9.5
20130418 21:56:14 <xranby_ac100> so yes it may be
20130418 21:56:28 <sgothel> close to mine :) .. and DST should be handled by OS/filesystem etc
20130418 21:58:28 <xranby_ac100> i assumed 722 was the fruit of http://forum.jogamp.org/After-upgrading-from-JOGL1-my-canvas-dies-when-moving-between-monitors-td4028978.html#a4028983
20130418 21:59:34 <sgothel> oh that one, yes, too bad we don't have it setup as unit tests .. so need to check regularly I guess
20130418 21:59:54 <sgothel> and I cannot connect 2 monitors to my KVM switch :(
20130418 22:00:38 <sgothel> it happened .. 19 Apr here :)
20130418 22:00:51 <xranby_ac100> 00:00 here as well
20130418 22:01:26 <xranby_ac100> good to know that it is possible to fix bugs before they happen
20130418 22:01:53 <sgothel> .. in a wide audience, yes :)
20130418 22:06:03 <xranby_ac100> sgothel: ok i guess you are now triaging 722
20130418 22:07:15 <xranby_ac100> ffmpeg enhancements can indeed wait
20130418 22:07:42 <sgothel> yup .. since it blocks (freezes) our build system
20130418 22:08:09 <sgothel> but I am all ears .. will jump in ofc
20130418 22:08:18 <xranby_ac100> good, i will rebase the ffmpeg audio decoder work on top of the current jogl master
20130418 22:08:43 <xranby_ac100> in order to get these larger changes more testing
20130418 22:08:48 <xranby_ac100> that you pushed today
20130418 22:09:31 <sgothel> awesome - thx
20130418 22:09:32 <xranby_ac100> on these arm devices jogamp actually do a really good job keeping the system responsive
20130418 22:09:47 <sgothel> NEWT all the way :)
20130418 22:09:52 <xranby_ac100> if i try mp4 movies using for example this tutorial i can lock up the system
20130418 22:09:58 <xranby_ac100> that is using SDL
20130418 22:10:21 <sgothel> and our threaded decoder does well ? great :)
20130418 22:10:34 <xranby_ac100> with jogamp and newt it runs fine
20130418 22:10:51 <sgothel> sugar in the morning :)
20130418 22:11:17 <sgothel> maybe SDL also doesn't do the YUV conversion on GPU ?
20130418 22:11:45 <sgothel> that give us some air .. factor 10x .. round about I guess
20130418 22:12:00 <xranby_ac100> sounds plausible
20130418 22:12:10 <sgothel> the higher the resolution the faster we are - plus I don't know their threading model
20130418 22:12:42 <sgothel> e.g. mplayer sucks here as well, if streams is stuttering (network) .. nothing you can do
20130418 22:18:14 <sgothel> maybe next week I get a 'HP PROBOOK 4720S' so I can try solving the bugs 706 520 - if reproducible ..
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20130419 01:40:07 <[Mike]> sgothel: you wouldn't "get" that laptop just for those two bugs would you? :)
20130419 02:00:43 <sgothel> well .. yes, I asked around to have it for a few days .. well, nada.
20130419 02:01:05 <sgothel> looks like a 'quality' bug, i.e. a specific thing we do wrong - I like to know what it is
20130419 02:01:18 <sgothel> later, well .. I may add it to our jenkins matrix :)
20130419 02:02:08 <sgothel> anybody tests java 7u21 w/ our applets or webstart ?
20130419 02:05:02 <sgothel> I did the same for Mesa/Intel .. i.e. purchasing a HD3000 machine - well, thats what we have to do to offer good support
20130419 02:08:57 <sgothel> are we in the 'Blacklisted Jars and Certificates' ? :)
20130419 02:11:56 <[Mike]> Thats always true, it can have other uses.
20130419 02:12:30 <[Mike]> As far as 7u21 testing, are you referring to viewing the demos on jogamp.org?
20130419 02:12:50 <sgothel> for example - yes
20130419 02:15:02 <[Mike]> Sorry, long day. I can try 'em out in a bit. :)
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20130419 02:22:06 <sgothel> linux ff - all ok w/ 7u21
20130419 02:25:14 <sgothel> I don't understand why mozilla and others don't make 'click to play' the freaking default behavior
20130419 02:25:56 <sgothel> since .. should we being asked to execute code when launching a site ? same should go for 'fancy' javascript I guess :)
20130419 02:27:30 <sgothel> btw .. the 'blacklist' exists since .. err .. a while ago
20130419 02:31:17 <sgothel> The expiration date for JRE 7u21 is 07/18/2013. .. lol
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20130419 03:30:26 <- *[Mike]* sgothel: Clicked all the links for Gears Demo and Version Information Demo. All links (dual, LApplet, NApplet, etc.) seem to work good with Java 7u21.
20130419 03:30:55 * [Mike] Windows 7 SP1 64
20130419 03:41:30 <[Mike]> sgothel: Clicked all the links for Gears Demo and Version Information Demo. All links (dual, LApplet, NApplet, etc.) seem to work good with Java 7u21.
20130419 03:41:44 * [Mike] Windows 7 SP1 x64
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20130419 04:54:22 <hharrison> sgothel: looking at commit:5eee4251b781e90ac66c33a2a1bcb7f2f6cf736a
20130419 04:54:30 <hharrison> (current jogl HEAD)
20130419 04:54:40 <hharrison> Not sure that's actually enough
20130419 04:55:04 <hharrison> Need to read the volatile to a temp var, then test the temp
20130419 04:55:08 <sgothel> me neither - better than before though :)
20130419 04:55:17 <hharrison> Otherwise you can still NPE on the very next read
20130419 04:55:25 <hharrison> patch wanted?
20130419 04:55:27 <sgothel> hmm agreed
20130419 04:55:29 <sgothel> welcome
20130419 04:55:33 <sgothel> thx
20130419 04:55:41 <hharrison> will do
20130419 04:55:46 <sgothel> right, we use same on other .. GLCanvas etc
20130419 04:56:01 <hharrison> If you can offer coordinates I can try to hit that one too
20130419 04:56:17 <hharrison> Best I can do right now is patch review, wish I had more bandwidth
20130419 04:56:36 <sgothel> horrible locking issue w/ GLEventListenerState and the AbstractGraphicsDevice's ToolkitLock .. while switching -> Bug 722
20130419 04:57:02 <sgothel> oh it has the local cached temp var already
20130419 04:57:25 <sgothel> I just didn't give GLJPanel enough love .. but turns out it is being used for Swing :)
20130419 04:58:32 <sgothel> your patch review is _VERY_ welcome!
20130419 04:59:15 <hharrison> Never be afraid to use git send-email when you push stuff, I will looka t it
20130419 05:00:34 <hharrison> Currently I'm boggling at the netbeans problems, feels like I'm missing something that should be obvious
20130419 05:01:01 <sgothel> NB ?
20130419 05:01:18 <hharrison> joshP on the forums, broken alpha channel
20130419 05:01:59 <hharrison> also, nick.collier with his strange offset issue
20130419 05:02:14 <sgothel> we can discuss the offset on OSX ..
20130419 05:02:40 <sgothel> i.e. a world of pain .. I mitigated it in JAWTWindow and NEwtCanvasAWT and AWTCanvas (Newt wrapper) ..
20130419 05:02:57 <sgothel> it depends how you resize the canvas/frame ..
20130419 05:03:08 <sgothel> general fix is in JAWTWindow for all ..
20130419 05:03:26 <sgothel> but 'sometimes' (buggy AWT/OSX CALAyer) .. you need to do special resizing..
20130419 05:03:36 <hharrison> One avenue I haven't looked at yet, java3d directly inherits from awt.canvas...possible to hook something ugly there
20130419 05:03:41 <sgothel> Q: does it go away when you resize it 2x .. i.e. via mouse ?
20130419 05:03:50 <sgothel> then look at NewtCanvasAWT :)
20130419 05:04:13 <hharrison> That's actually what I have open currently ;-)
20130419 05:04:35 <sgothel> you see the horrible forceLayout .. look for Platform..OSX
20130419 05:04:54 <hharrison> (still trying to figure out how I fell in to maintaining j3d...life is strange sometimes)
20130419 05:04:55 <sgothel> at least our unit tests look good on OSX / Java7 now :)
20130419 05:05:08 <sgothel> hehe
20130419 05:05:33 <hharrison> I swear, git-svn is a gateway drug!
20130419 05:05:46 <sgothel> responsibility is more a duty thing .. but the technical challenge is fun
20130419 05:06:13 <sgothel> I like to work on graph stuff, actual 3d code .. but .. well, need to stabilize the beast
20130419 05:06:37 <hharrison> Yeah, also have made contact with some neat projects
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