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20130730 14:44:29 <sgothel> back home ..
20130730 14:44:55 <rmk0> lo
20130730 14:45:03 <rmk0> how's it going?
20130730 14:45:09 <sgothel> after paperwork .. will do the video editing .. etc
20130730 14:45:21 <sgothel> thx .. still a bit disoriented .. :)
20130730 14:46:12 <sgothel> another trip 31st-2nd August .. then I will be really 'back' :)
20130730 14:46:27 <rmk0> ow
20130730 14:46:46 <sgothel> yeah .. oh well
20130730 14:47:12 <sgothel> we had to shrink your slides a bit .. hope it's OK, otherwise we couldn't fit all into the 90 min.
20130730 14:47:21 <rmk0> no problem
20130730 14:48:34 <sgothel> one dude (MIT researcher) put it well, it was like "drinking from a fire-hose" :)
20130730 14:48:53 <rmk0> hehe
20130730 14:49:26 <sgothel> we were a bit misplaced in the schedule .. so folks left to the technical papers during our session .. and the Khronos BOFs started .. oh well
20130730 14:49:48 <sgothel> but the video is great (have to fix audio levels though)
20130730 14:50:12 <sgothel> next year .. I guess we need better schedule placement .. hmm :)
20130730 14:50:48 <sgothel> 'but' .. as always, folks new our project and were interested
20130730 14:50:56 <sgothel> *knew
20130730 14:53:16 <sgothel> we had good wifi .. so we could show all the online demos w/o problems
20130730 14:53:36 <rmk0> wondered about that
20130730 14:53:37 <sgothel> no hacking before BOF this time, but we prepared the slides and demos well
20130730 14:53:54 <sgothel> was like 3-6 min per demo
20130730 14:54:16 <sgothel> and our demo show .. well, was better than WebGL's :)
20130730 14:54:25 <rmk0> hehe
20130730 14:54:40 <rmk0> surprised anyone ever gets anything running with webgl
20130730 14:54:54 <sgothel> so we discussed the *VM availability ..
20130730 14:54:54 <rmk0> opengl is awkward enough with C's type system, let alone without one at all
20130730 14:55:37 <sgothel> Xerxes, Harvey and I like the idea of providing something free, at least from a European standpoint :)
20130730 14:56:08 <sgothel> i.e. hacking icedtea-web plugin for non-AWT / pluggable windowing system
20130730 14:56:56 <rmk0> imagine adoption is the problem
20130730 14:57:00 <rmk0> getting people to install plugins is hard
20130730 14:58:53 <sgothel> and .. building a shrinked down *VM runtime w/o AWT etc
20130730 14:59:20 <sgothel> if possible .. doing the modularization in an automatic manner ofc
20130730 14:59:49 <sgothel> then we can test whether e.g. firefox can use such an plugin etc
20130730 14:59:55 <sgothel> (mobile, ..)
20130730 15:00:22 <sgothel> but overall goal (long term) would be to have the procedure in place for building such a beast
20130730 15:00:30 <rmk0> scary
20130730 15:00:48 <sgothel> i.e. right now, we depend on builds from Oracle, which is really scary
20130730 15:01:37 <sgothel> so goal would be to have a guaranteed mechanism creating a *VM, which is based on GPL2 .. and complies w/ the 4 freedoms
20130730 15:02:11 <sgothel> ofc .. it is not necessarily our goal to maintain this .. but if nobody else does it .. we may need to jumpstart it
20130730 15:02:12 <rmk0> at least there aren't patents to contend with in europe
20130730 15:02:31 <sgothel> yes - and Oracle couldn't win a dime from Google in their case :)
20130730 15:03:03 <sgothel> Google only needed to pay a literal buck for the (c) stuff .. but we will be based on OpenJDK, so no issue
20130730 15:03:37 <sgothel> sure - long term .. we will see how we can squeeze this in ..
20130730 15:05:16 <sgothel> regarding the plugin and overall adoption: I don't care .. but when this thing becomes useful, it may be used at least in the vertical market, i.e. when deploying 3d java'ish content .. browser or standalone
20130730 15:05:39 <rmk0> right
20130730 15:06:04 <rmk0> there is actually an official "modularize the jvm" project... not sure if that's actually getting anywhere
20130730 15:06:13 * rmk0 locates
20130730 15:06:19 <sgothel> openjdk8 or 9 .. Xerxes told me ..
20130730 15:06:31 <sgothel> sure .. if this baby works well .. even better
20130730 15:06:32 <rmk0> oh, jigsaw
20130730 15:06:41 <sgothel> then we 'just' need to do our plugin work
20130730 15:06:51 <sgothel> and building for Windows, OSX, ..
20130730 15:08:54 <sgothel> other items we discussed were: UI (3d content via blender, .. using graph etc), .. / .. Xerxes and I will follow up on all this via bug reports ..
20130730 15:10:16 <sgothel> dinner now .. laters
20130730 15:11:00 <rmk0> byee!
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20130730 15:58:08 <petrs> o/
20130730 16:02:25 <petrs> how was the siggraph?
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20130730 20:47:24 <rmk0> ugh... mesa
20130730 20:48:00 <rmk0> it has an ES3 context, and GL_SHADING_LANGUAGE_VERSION returns "OpenGL ES GLSL ES 3.0", but it'll only accept GLSL ES 1.10 source
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