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20130803 13:10:43 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/log/irc/jogamp_20130730050605.html#l29 <- Project Name Proposal: Ji Gong < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ji_Gong >
20130803 13:12:27 <sgothel> "Unlike a traditional Buddhist monk, Daoji did not like following traditional monastic codes. Daoji had a penchant for openly eating meat and drinking wine; his robes were often tattered and dirty from travelling from place to place, and stumbling while intoxicated. However, Daoji was kind hearted and was always ready to lend a helping hand to ordinary people. He would often treat the sick and fight against injustice. The monks, bewilde
20130803 16:54:05 <sgothel> https://jogamp.org/wiki/index.php/SW_Tracking_Report_Objectives_for_the_release_2.0.3_of_JOGL - 2.0.3 tracking (2.0.2 closed)
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20130803 17:34:13 <sgothel> Good evening / morning :)
20130803 17:34:27 <hharrison> sgothel: are you able to find any info on the Java7 release cycle?...best guess I've seen is August for u40
20130803 17:34:36 <hharrison> good morning!
20130803 17:34:43 <sgothel> yup .. something like that ..
20130803 17:35:17 <hharrison> It's baffling to me, Oracle normally loves to publish 'schedules;
20130803 17:35:18 <sgothel> I will do some 'jogamp paperwork' .. this week probably testing w/ the new beta .. fixing positioning stuff
20130803 17:35:34 <sgothel> writing up the Ji Gong project proposal :)
20130803 17:35:41 <hharrison> :-)
20130803 17:35:47 <sgothel> we thought .. better than 'jBoobies' :)
20130803 17:36:06 <hharrison> I like the name, nice image with the dirty robes
20130803 17:36:31 <sgothel> fits the bill, .. yeah .. crazy monk .. not complying w/ some weirdo rules .. but doing good
20130803 17:54:30 <sgothel> https://jogamp.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=790
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20130804 00:06:37 <xranby> http://labb.zafena.se/?p=859 - JogAmp 2.0.2 ; JOGL 10y celebration & siggraph 2013
20130804 00:45:15 <xranby> meanwhile i am fighting the OpenCL on Android issue
20130804 00:45:54 <xranby> it turned out we had not yet reworked JOCL to use the DynamicLibraryBundle* API's
20130804 00:45:58 <sgothel> Hi Xerxes .. nice pic, like me sleeping :)
20130804 00:46:20 <xranby> kudos, feel free to send more group pictures
20130804 00:46:31 <sgothel> right ..
20130804 00:46:52 <sgothel> not yet ? DynamicLibraryBundle* API's ? oops :)
20130804 00:47:13 <sgothel> but it uses dynamic libs .. AFAIK
20130804 00:47:22 <xranby> and while i was working on that.. google dropped the bomb and disabled opencl in the latest android 4.3 update for the nexus 10
20130804 00:47:29 <sgothel> lol
20130804 00:47:33 <xranby> so i have been doing politics
20130804 00:47:36 <sgothel> so no update then .. hmm :)
20130804 00:47:49 <sgothel> https://jogamp.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=790
20130804 00:48:20 <xranby> http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=36361
20130804 00:49:07 <xranby> i assume srhi...@google.com is googles public relations fellow
20130804 00:50:20 <xranby> oh interest project this Ji Gong
20130804 00:50:24 <xranby> interesting
20130804 00:51:00 <sgothel> hope you like it .. we thought so :)
20130804 00:51:44 <xranby> http://streamcomputing.eu/blog/2013-08-01/google-blocked-opencl-on-android-4-3/
20130804 00:52:02 <xranby> http://www.anandtech.com/show/7191/android-43-update-for-nexus-10-and-4-removes-unofficial-opencl-drivers
20130804 00:52:31 <sgothel> so .. I will not update android / driver then .. hmm .. or copy the libs beforehand :)
20130804 00:52:58 <sgothel> https://jogamp.org/wiki/index.php/SW_Tracking_Report_Objectives_for_the_release_2.0.3_of_JOGL <- did as you told ..
20130804 00:53:45 <xranby> thank you, i appreciate it
20130804 00:54:30 <xranby> 725.. what happens if we close it now? i think it actually was part of 2.0.2
20130804 00:54:40 <sgothel> so Ji Gong (JRT) should also work on Android .. things, guess I will start w/ the plugin (JWeb) work on spare time
20130804 00:54:57 <sgothel> ofc
20130804 00:55:06 <sgothel> do it :)
20130804 00:55:37 <sgothel> I have to finish the video decoding ringbuffer .. started on plane :)
20130804 00:56:00 <sgothel> pretty hot here last days .. and too much travels .. so me was slow ..
20130804 00:56:00 <xranby> ok, i will add all SCM refs as well
20130804 00:56:11 <xranby> i have been jetlagged for at least a week
20130804 00:56:19 <xranby> and made a nice pile of firewood
20130804 00:56:19 <sgothel> yeah
20130804 00:56:39 <sgothel> sure needs balance .. after all those jogamp days :)
20130804 00:57:13 <xranby> it was an amazing party! we had our private bench
20130804 00:57:47 <sgothel> haha .. patio .. even our patio, if you mean the food court thingy outside
20130804 00:58:17 <xranby> sure, we had the breatest ball room with the sky as our dome
20130804 00:58:21 <xranby> greatest
20130804 00:58:43 <sgothel> oh for the last 2 days we had, we tried to find a place at the beach .. for like 60 miles no hotel below 200 USD avail, so we headed inside to the mountains
20130804 00:59:05 <xranby> odd place to find a breach :)
20130804 00:59:10 <xranby> beach
20130804 00:59:13 <sgothel> but we got our 3 hours of playing in the water though :)
20130804 00:59:46 <sgothel> will enjoy our beaches here tomorrow .. harder to find mountains around our place here
20130804 01:00:11 <sgothel> so we have JOCL bug repo ..
20130804 01:00:20 <sgothel> then we need the UI stuff .. hmm
20130804 01:00:35 <sgothel> Rami told me, TTF font files _are_ SVG .. at least partially
20130804 01:01:32 <sgothel> so maybe .. we can simply [jump]start w/ SVG .. and do the real 3D later on .. baby steps
20130804 01:01:41 <xranby> cool!
20130804 01:03:14 <sgothel> C3D would like to use more 'native' UI 'soon' .. so 1st test case would be an AWT replacement (fixed function UI) w/ the programmable UI :)
20130804 01:03:39 <sgothel> sure .. another module
20130804 01:12:51 <xranby> good show, it was worth the long journey! nice to see people pickup the recording online
20130804 01:15:12 <sgothel> yup I likes it very much as well, we are getting better each time .. audio so far hearable ?
20130804 01:15:28 <sgothel> (next time we need to take better care of speaker audio .. yup)
20130804 01:15:39 <xranby> sound check!
20130804 01:15:53 <xranby> i was able to hear the talk clear
20130804 01:16:05 <xranby> google's automatic text function did not
20130804 01:16:06 <sgothel> I played w/ Audacity .. noise removal .. well, not great
20130804 01:16:28 <xranby> try enable the automatic texting its hillarious
20130804 01:16:36 <sgothel> text ? I saw some subtitles
20130804 01:16:44 <xranby> yes subtitles
20130804 01:17:42 <xranby> the youtube texting button
20130804 01:17:50 <sgothel> lol .. :)
20130804 01:18:55 <sgothel> hope their 'glass' and new phone speech tools are better
20130804 01:19:01 <xranby> i have saved the transcript for future generations https://gist.github.com/xranby/39e61691d9b26adea97e
20130804 01:19:27 <sgothel> :)
20130804 01:30:57 <sgothel> read the Issue 36361, and looks like the Renderman Google guy who makes the calls hardly is objective :)
20130804 01:32:46 <sgothel> so they turned down a 'allow folks to make their own decision' by utilizing the 'hidden' native APIs .. just another slap in the face of Android users, besides their policy changes (market) etc .. probably side-effects when you become too powerful.
20130804 01:36:13 <sgothel> this attitude like 'we know best what you need', while ignoring the OpenCL teams efforts - some would call it arrogance - is well established in some circles. here for sure the main reason is the walled garden / google lock-in. Instead of participating in the OpenCL advancement, they create their proprietary lock-in 'solution' .. oh well
20130804 01:37:14 <sgothel> a probably fit answer / question could be: why didn't you expose OpenCL as low level and build RS ontop of it ?!
20130804 01:38:02 <sgothel> the OpenCL exposure could have been done for NDK only (as you put it) - but again, such discussion w/ them seems to be futile
20130804 01:39:26 <xranby> the fun in all of it is that they did build RS on top of the OpenCL provided by the mali drivers
20130804 01:39:42 <sgothel> so .. how is it 'hidden' ?
20130804 01:39:46 <sgothel> i.e. removed ?
20130804 01:39:56 <sgothel> IMHO .. impossible
20130804 01:40:11 <xranby> not entirely sure, its like they crippled the implementation to only allow RS to use it in 4.3
20130804 01:40:24 <xranby> i dont have a device here to test on
20130804 01:40:25 <sgothel> but the libs come from ARM ..
20130804 01:40:37 <sgothel> ok .. up to me then, earmarked
20130804 01:40:38 <xranby> google package the drivers
20130804 01:40:43 <sgothel> hmm
20130804 01:40:53 <xranby> since the nexus is their device
20130804 01:41:20 <sgothel> sort of .. Samsung does hardware and BSP
20130804 02:03:33 <sgothel> https://sailfishos.org/about-technology.html <- We may need Wayland [and maybe QT5] windowing support soon .. no devs yet .. emulators ?
20130804 02:05:31 <sgothel> (SDK .. yup)
20130804 02:08:29 <sgothel> https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Main_Page#End_Users
20130804 02:14:29 <xranby> sgothel: speaking of ubuntu. they are crowdfunding their ubuntu edge phone. and are looking for a chip maker that can provide them with a full free softeware GPU stack to base it on
20130804 02:21:30 <xranby> story in a nutshell: Q) http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/will-ubuntu-edge-commit-to-using-only-free-software ? A) http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/why-ubuntu-edge-deserves-your-support-223967?page=0,1
20130804 02:24:17 <xranby> the A) report is from WebMink/OSI who we met and talked to in brussels about OSI advice on forming a foundatino
20130804 02:26:38 <xranby> sgothel: there is jolla dev phones, i guess you have to talk to jolla on how to get one
20130804 02:28:39 <xranby> http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/20/jolla-phone/
20130804 02:31:30 <xranby> http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/20/jolla-phone-hardware-tour/
20130804 02:31:47 <xranby> at least they have a working prototype to demo
20130804 02:33:21 <xranby> i guess the SDK should be operational as well
20130804 02:33:32 <xranby> https://sailfishos.org/
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