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20130806 08:18:09 <sgothel> Today: Simulation http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3l8TT1dv-PM&t=43 .. and getting worse .. http://preview.reuters.com/2013/8/5/fukushima-radioactive-water-likely-breached
20130806 08:21:48 <xranby> sgothel: :(
20130806 08:22:18 <sgothel> the youtube video has references to the papers (model simulation .. etc)
20130806 08:22:49 <sgothel> too bad, and I like tuna very much
20130806 08:22:53 <xranby> Btw, JollaHQ is now informed about Ji Gong
20130806 08:23:00 <sgothel> awesome!
20130806 08:23:15 <sgothel> Ken will see to some resources as well, if avail.
20130806 08:23:52 <xranby> labb.zafena.se/?p=933 - @JollaHQ - "Awesome!"
20130806 08:24:42 <sgothel> nice nice .. I posted a ref on their tech discussion 2 days ago as well :)
20130806 08:24:48 <sgothel> so we will see ..
20130806 08:25:22 <xranby> Do you have an URL to the tech discussion?
20130806 08:26:04 <sgothel> one sec ..
20130806 08:27:49 <sgothel> http://www.jollacommunity.fi/free-talk-zone/
20130806 08:27:58 <sgothel> .. all others are Chinese :)
20130806 08:28:10 <sgothel> http://jolla.com/unsolicited-ideas-terms-and-policy/
20130806 08:34:21 <xranby> good policy!
20130806 08:36:48 <sgothel> well .. one project forum would be nice though :)
20130806 08:38:19 <xranby> It made me understand more clearly what influenced the idea behind the "Since unsolicited contact is usually not welcome " quote @ http://forum.jogamp.org/Project-Ji-Gong-td4029738.html#a4029739
20130806 08:38:56 <sgothel> yup .. and ofc .. we cannot just dump an email to Huawei for example, we would need to have a contact
20130806 08:39:18 <sgothel> .. or attract them to start talking w/ us .. sure thing
20130806 08:51:46 <xranby> sgothel: i will begin investigating bug 792 OpenJDK Subset - JRT Core using the current openjdk jigsaw project
20130806 08:52:03 <xranby> before we re-do the same work
20130806 08:52:23 <xranby> hence try compile openjdk jigsaw branch on my machine
20130806 08:52:29 <sgothel> awesome! .. guess that is what you were talking about .. modularization of openjdk 8/9 ?
20130806 08:52:41 <xranby> http://openjdk.java.net/projects/jigsaw/
20130806 08:52:44 <xranby> yup!
20130806 08:53:04 <sgothel> perfect .. pls make a note at the bug report ..
20130806 08:54:04 <sgothel> .. as long they allow to cut off at least AWT/Swing .. we would be fine :)
20130806 08:55:34 <sgothel> maybe we need to enhance / split it .. more .. but yes, if this is the next modularization .. sweet
20130806 08:56:14 <sgothel> http://openjdk.java.net/projects/jigsaw/dashboards/modularization
20130806 08:56:47 <sgothel> .. so it will be more an openjdk9'ish thingy
20130806 08:58:17 <xranby> It is also related to the OpenJDK JEP 161 specification: http://openjdk.java.net/jeps/161
20130806 08:58:32 <xranby> we are interested in the compact1 profile
20130806 08:58:47 <sgothel> .. doesn't look like it's design is completely finished (modularization) ..hmm
20130806 08:58:47 <xranby> and possibly compact2 that include the nice to have's
20130806 08:59:18 <sgothel> a bit scared .. if following their turtle pace and bureaucracy overhead will kill us :)
20130806 08:59:45 <xranby> usually code exist today in the jogsaw project hg branch
20130806 09:00:10 <sgothel> eager to see your evaluation .. awesome!
20130806 09:00:46 <sgothel> yes 'compact1' matches our current list
20130806 09:01:12 <sgothel> + compact2 partially as you said .. i.e. w/ xml + w3c
20130806 09:01:29 <sgothel> at least w/o RMI .. AFAIK .. but .. well
20130806 09:02:05 <xranby> this branch will merge in to the main openjdk branch that ships when the bureaucracy overhead have done its rounds
20130806 09:02:05 <xranby> jigsaw
20130806 09:02:05 <xranby> hence i will simply checkout the jigsaw branch to see if it can build the modular classpath
20130806 09:02:05 <xranby> the hotspot is already modular
20130806 09:02:06 <xranby> libjvm.so
20130806 09:02:07 <xranby> so it is possible to build the classpath standalone possibly cross compile natives used by the classpath standalone
20130806 09:02:14 <xranby> and then combine it with the hotspot also built standalone
20130806 09:02:31 <sgothel> yes!
20130806 09:03:14 <sgothel> possibly cross compile natives <- I doubt that one :)
20130806 09:03:30 <sgothel> guess they still use the ole makefiles ?
20130806 09:04:01 <sgothel> in ole times, they even had different rt.jar's for each platform :(
20130806 09:04:18 <sgothel> hope they have platform agnostic jar files today .. but I doubt that
20130806 09:04:50 <sgothel> i.e. at least compile all jar files (no natives) for all platforms on one platform (as we do)
20130806 09:05:07 <xranby> (11:05:24) sgothel: possibly cross compile natives <- I doubt that one :) <-- it have been "done" inside the OpenEmbedded meta-java the key was to run some of the native code generators using qemu
20130806 09:05:45 <xranby> OpenEmbedded can cross compile OpenJDK from scratch on a X86 32bit and 64bit system for ARM 32bit
20130806 09:06:07 <sgothel> .. and 'they' use such a beast ?
20130806 09:06:07 <xranby> The OpenEmbedded meta-java may be a bit over the top
20130806 09:06:13 <sgothel> yes! :)
20130806 09:06:45 <sgothel> it's 2 fold: 1) all-jar files should be build/create platform agnostic
20130806 09:06:50 <xranby> it is used by BugLabs and various embedded linux distributions like Ångstrom to build their distribution images with openjdk included
20130806 09:07:01 <sgothel> 2) native libs maybe crosscompiled
20130806 09:07:26 <sgothel> you once told me about this approach .. then I started to build the crosscompiler for debian :)
20130806 09:07:35 <sgothel> x64 host -> arm
20130806 09:08:07 <xranby> we will continue on the current jogamp approach .. its certanly faster
20130806 09:08:21 <sgothel> .. sure .. testing might be nice to have this way
20130806 09:08:47 <sgothel> but then we can test JiGong w/ JogAmp :)
20130806 09:09:16 <sgothel> excellent ..
20130806 09:10:27 <sgothel> Since JEP 161 is owner by Bob, it does have merrits! .. at least he likes to push mobile
20130806 09:10:56 <xranby> Yes! and Bob do code as well!
20130806 09:11:14 <sgothel> so if he offers a JEP 161 branch or something, I would test such beast first :)
20130806 09:11:29 <sgothel> AFAIK he helped us once w/ JME on Tegra etc
20130806 09:13:16 <xranby> Mark Reinhold did demo quite a lot of this work last java one
20130806 09:13:16 <xranby> running on a raspberry pi
20130806 09:13:17 <xranby> thus i look forward to collaborate with them both
20130806 09:13:17 <xranby> to make this an possibility
20130806 09:13:18 <xranby> for real mobile deployment
20130806 09:13:30 <xranby> excellent!
20130806 09:14:30 <sgothel> .. I doubt that Mark really did things .. well - and you know, they don't want 'things' :) Hence not getting too close to them might be advised :)
20130806 09:15:30 <sgothel> 'Hi dudes, you like to help our real free java'ish solution called Ji Gong ?' .. lol :)
20130806 09:15:34 <xranby> I feel Mark is a good guy, he do work for pushing controll of openjdk to the openjdk community
20130806 09:16:21 <xranby> What i will do is simply ask Mark & Bob which OpenJDK hg branch to use that closest match JEP 161!
20130806 09:16:44 <sgothel> well .. the situation is as it is .. and his reply to certain questions .. all speak for themselves ..
20130806 09:16:45 <sgothel> Sure!
20130806 09:17:05 <sgothel> In the end .. they have their job to keep :)
20130806 09:18:21 <sgothel> JEP 161 Qs .. try to ask Bob alone 1st -- a CC'ed across the Oracle board might make them feel insecure
20130806 09:18:37 <sgothel> w/o mentioning JogAmp and JiGong .. ofc :)
20130806 09:18:46 <sgothel> just my 2 cents ..
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20130806 10:18:37 <gouessej> hi
20130806 10:18:54 <sgothel> Hi Julien
20130806 10:19:01 <xranby> gouessej: greetings
20130806 10:19:36 <gouessej> Now I understand why no default profile is available on some machines
20130806 10:20:07 <sgothel> ?
20130806 10:20:18 <gouessej> see the bug report 810
20130806 10:20:31 <gouessej> Some SUSE users had this problem
20130806 10:20:43 <gouessej> but it is reproducible under Mac too
20130806 10:22:02 <gouessej> https://jogamp.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=810
20130806 10:23:43 <gouessej> Sven, do you think my suggestion is correct?
20130806 10:28:51 <sgothel> sorry .. phone call .. back
20130806 10:29:08 <sgothel> well, if they add the wrong jar file .. it won't work .. so IMHO bug is invalid
20130806 10:29:38 <sgothel> anybody has an interest to work in Finnland and/or UK for ~6month ? Huawei/Samsung low level OpenGL etc ..
20130806 10:30:09 <xranby> odin_: ^
20130806 10:30:10 <sgothel> just got a short call from a contractor .. will try to talk about our cause w/ said companies
20130806 10:30:23 <sgothel> but maybe they were just polite :)
20130806 10:31:04 <sgothel> told them maybe somebody of our group may have an interest to their specific request - me not
20130806 10:32:32 <gouessej> If they add the good JAR and the wrong JAR, it doesn't work and the OS name should be stripped off. The suggested fix is not complicated
20130806 10:33:01 <sgothel> we say that you have to add the jogl-all.jar etc .. nothing else
20130806 10:33:12 <sgothel> gluegen-rt.jar, jogl-all.jar ..
20130806 10:33:22 <sgothel> not even the natives ..
20130806 10:33:43 <gouessej> we already treat the case when "-mobile" is added
20130806 10:33:48 <sgothel> and adding jogl-android.jar on GNU/Linux .. IMHO is quite an obvious bug ?
20130806 10:34:02 <sgothel> oh
20130806 10:34:02 <gouessej> jogl-all-android.jar
20130806 10:34:16 <sgothel> ok .. if it works .. sure we can do that
20130806 10:34:27 <xranby> sgothel: http://forum.jogamp.org/Recreating-Jogl2-Android-demo-projects-in-Eclipse-td4027079.html <- you add the jogl-all-android.jar when doing android dev ofc
20130806 10:34:32 <gouessej> I can test my patch tonight or tomorrow
20130806 10:34:57 <sgothel> perfect .. thx .. I will pull / merge your git thingy then
20130806 10:35:00 <xranby> so i guess users run into the issue gouessej points out if they tested to do both traditional desktop & mobile + android on the same machine
20130806 10:35:12 <gouessej> yes
20130806 10:35:21 <gouessej> and some people just take all JARs :s
20130806 10:35:22 <sgothel> already accepted :)
20130806 10:35:31 <sgothel> well - that may be difficult!
20130806 10:35:36 <sgothel> (all jar files ..)
20130806 10:35:44 <gouessej> several people complained about this bug but I didn't suspect it came from GlueGen
20130806 10:36:25 <sgothel> be aware that the 'strip off' of jar basename extension maybe in a few more places
20130806 10:37:36 <gouessej> probably in several classes extending JNILibLoaderBase
20130806 10:39:32 <sgothel> ../src/jogl/classes/javax/media/opengl/GLProfile.java
20130806 10:39:32 <sgothel> ../src/nativewindow/classes/jogamp/nativewindow/NWJNILibLoader.java
20130806 10:39:32 <sgothel> ../src/newt/classes/jogamp/newt/NEWTJNILibLoader.java
20130806 10:39:59 <sgothel> we should drop the 'strip-off' String[] into GLProfile .. or another JOGL common place
20130806 10:40:14 <sgothel> jogl/make$ grep -Rli "\-mobile" ../src/
20130806 10:40:18 <gouessej> is it used in JOAL too?
20130806 10:40:22 <sgothel> nope
20130806 10:40:29 <gouessej> JOCL?
20130806 10:40:31 <sgothel> all other projects only have one jar file
20130806 10:40:39 <gouessej> ok
20130806 10:41:01 <sgothel> assigned bug to you ..
20130806 10:42:29 <gouessej> it seems logical to avoid duplicating the information in the OS suffix and after "-all" in the JAR name (except for native libraries)
20130806 10:42:34 <gouessej> ok
20130806 10:43:29 <sgothel> Julien: It was not clear whether you have an interest in working on Ji Gong as well .. if so, you could coop w/ Xerxes on Bug 792 / JEP-161 thingy .. we can chat in private about some details .. if so ..
20130806 10:44:33 <gouessej> it depends on the remaining time as I see that there are several bug reports that would benefit of the NEWT controller API, maybe indirectly
20130806 10:45:05 <sgothel> yes .. for sure
20130806 10:46:12 <gouessej> I had to fix something in Osmosis reader (OSM), I hope I will have something to show in a few days
20130806 10:46:13 <xranby> gouessej: i talked earlier in this chat on how i aim to tackle Bug 792 going for the JEP 161 compact 1 profile
20130806 10:46:36 <gouessej> Xerxes, I have just read the logs about that, it seems promising
20130806 10:46:57 <gouessej> I'm just a bit worried about Android support
20130806 10:47:49 <sgothel> sure .. will all be tedious work :) .. later we will tackle the cross compilation issues
20130806 10:48:28 <xranby> what part of andoid is worrying?
20130806 10:49:01 <sgothel> technically there should be none, i.e. their libc (whats the name again) .. is _almost_ compatible w/ POSIX (dlopen is not)
20130806 10:49:14 <xranby> ofc if bionic do not implement glibc functionality we may have to use & bundle glibc
20130806 10:49:17 <sgothel> sure .. we need to fidle w/ the NDK ..
20130806 10:49:32 <xranby> or port openjdk to work on top of bionic
20130806 10:49:36 <sgothel> lol .. can't do that .. i.e. libc -> kernel/ioctl
20130806 10:49:46 <sgothel> will be minimal .. if at all
20130806 10:49:49 <xranby> libc do work on top of android kernels
20130806 10:50:00 <xranby> i have booted ubuntu using android kernels
20130806 10:50:15 <sgothel> you mean glibc works w/ all ioctls ? cool :)
20130806 10:50:49 <xranby> perople also run ubuntu inside android chroots
20130806 10:50:51 <xranby> etc
20130806 10:51:15 <sgothel> but .. all that later .. after it works for simple machines (GNU/Linux, Windows, OSX, ..) .. Guess after GNU/Linux we can parallelize the effort
20130806 10:51:16 <xranby> sure we will find out the details when messing with the NDK
20130806 10:56:11 <xranby> some year ago Guillaume Legris almost made the complete android stack running on top of OpenJDK
20130806 10:56:11 <xranby> one experiment inside the IcedRobot project
20130806 10:56:12 <xranby> although the legal FUD at that time prevented the IcedRobot project to fullfill that route
20130806 10:56:27 <xranby> the focus was then to only let android apps run onmodified using the daneel dex -> class classloader on top of openjdk & desktop
20130806 10:56:53 <xranby> the classloader got implemented, the android api plumbind gig not
20130806 10:57:28 <xranby> so the only fully working part of the icedrobot project was this daneel classloader
20130806 10:57:51 <xranby> that allowed you to say compile a swing jar -> dex and then run the dex on top of openjdk
20130806 10:58:18 <xranby> all in all technically fun but pointless ;)
20130806 10:58:42 <gouessej> it would be nice to avoid using the DVM :)
20130806 10:59:04 <gouessej> IcedRobot seems a bit dead
20130806 10:59:14 <xranby> it is out of resources
20130806 10:59:27 <xranby> all core devs got hired full time by Red Hat
20130806 10:59:39 <xranby> and are now working on OpenJDK directly
20130806 11:01:23 <xranby> Roman Kenkke and Mario Torre that is.. Roman is working on a pausless GC and Mario is now working on open up OpenJFX & jvm instrumentation
20130806 11:02:49 <xranby> its always a bit hard to say if thats the only thing they do because the red hat work contracts allows people to persuit their own goals that may be in conflict with the goals of red hat :)
20130806 11:03:10 <gouessej> lol
20130806 11:03:58 <gouessej> Could Daneel be useful for us?
20130806 11:04:17 <xranby> if you want to run dex files on top of openjdk.. tehn yes
20130806 11:04:34 <xranby> it do the register base to stack base conversino on the fly
20130806 11:04:37 <xranby> and is pretty fast
20130806 11:05:12 <xranby> the generated class can then be optimized fully using hotspot
20130806 11:05:21 <gouessej> it could be useful for mobile phones who support OpenJDK but not under Android
20130806 11:05:43 <xranby> sure, the hard part is to add all android API's
20130806 11:06:15 <xranby> this was intended to be realised by the "ika" project that downloaded and patched the API's to become GNU/Linux friendly
20130806 11:06:35 <xranby> so that you could run the android stack on a gnu linux system
20130806 11:06:57 <xranby> it turned out to be a really hard task to patch all the android code
20130806 11:08:18 <xranby> and somewhere around here resources stopped
20130806 11:08:33 <gouessej> Android is definitely not a Linux distro
20130806 11:10:50 <xranby> the only functional parts of IKA turned out to be a working port of the android bluetooth stack that was now possible to run on a gnu/linux system
20130806 11:11:42 <xranby> this work was to my knowledge funded by an user who wanted this functionality
20130806 11:12:07 <xranby> at least something :)
20130806 11:13:12 <gouessej> ok I have to leave. I'll try to move the "strip off" into GLProfile, maybe in a method (addNativeJarLibs(Class<?>[]))
20130806 11:13:46 <xranby> http://www.jroller.com/neugens/entry/icedrobot_bluetooth_stack_at_java
20130806 11:15:58 <xranby> running the full stack ended with this screenshot: http://labb.zafena.se/?category_name=icedrobot
20130806 11:16:19 <sgothel> all great stuff .. after we have Ji Gong .. sure we or better someone can add-on the Android-API as an optional cherry on top
20130806 11:17:17 <sgothel> I for one .. am more interested in hooking up the native windowing thingy w/ Ji Gong / NEWT on Android, while ignoring the Android API
20130806 11:17:30 <sgothel> -> wayland
20130806 11:17:49 <sgothel> otherwise .. you can use Dalvik
20130806 11:18:20 <sgothel> .. or .. we / or somebody make Ji-Gong a full Dalvik/Android replacement. Sure .. we may need some bigger interest in this regard :)
20130806 11:19:30 <xranby> agree, better to have small goals that you can complete
20130806 11:19:32 <gouessej> we need some funding
20130806 11:20:32 <sgothel> .. funding: WIP - until then .. baby steps to make a point :)
20130806 11:25:15 <xranby> One thing IcedRobot did manage well was to put the initial slides deck in order http://web.archive.org/web/20121101210219/http://www.icedrobot.org/downloads/fosdem11/icedrobot-fosdem-2011-02-05.pdf
20130806 11:25:15 <xranby> it was a massive PR punch
20130806 11:29:11 <sgothel> I remember this one .. run your Android stuff on desktop ..
20130806 11:29:43 <sgothel> .. love the subtitle :)
20130806 11:32:42 <xranby> (13:17:26) sgothel: all great stuff .. after we have Ji Gong .. sure we or better someone can add-on the Android-API as an optional cherry on top <-- yes pluggable and optional similar to how we will keep awt & swing optional
20130806 11:33:59 <sgothel> 100%
20130806 11:43:50 <xranby> http://bloggl.thenesis.org/2011/04/android-boot-on-top-of-openjdk.html <- Guillaume Legris's blog who got most of the full stack working
20130806 11:44:52 <gouessej> :)
20130806 11:46:13 <xranby> i would endorse fund him to add the optional android cherry on top
20130806 11:48:38 <sgothel> looks like he does all things .. great candidate
20130806 11:50:34 <gouessej> yes
20130806 11:50:40 <gouessej> I completely agree
20130806 11:50:51 <gouessej> who can contact him?
20130806 11:54:27 <gouessej> ok I have to leave. Bye.
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20130806 11:54:45 <xranby> sgothel: you have his email.. back in time when we talked about the Wii port
20130806 11:54:57 <sgothel> ohh
20130806 11:55:40 <sgothel> ok .. will ask him whether he is interested in Ji Gong and his Android cherry ..
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20130806 11:58:29 <xranby> thank you
20130806 12:08:59 <sgothel> https://jogamp.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=792#c4
20130806 12:12:40 <sgothel> email sent .. CC'ed core ..
20130806 12:13:53 <sgothel> The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <glegris@thenesis.org> (reason: 554 5.7.1 <glegris@thenesis.org>: Relay access denied)
20130806 12:14:05 <xranby> sgothel: kudos, btw you have a typo in your email template Jo Gong instead of Ji Gong
20130806 12:14:15 <sgothel> oh well :)
20130806 12:14:37 <xranby> hmm i can try forward the mail from me
20130806 12:17:08 <sgothel> if he is still .. err .. reachable
20130806 12:17:29 <sgothel> Firefox can't find the server at www.thenesis.org.
20130806 12:18:14 <sgothel> whois .. still works on DNS .. though
20130806 12:18:30 <sgothel> Domain ID:D126428872-LROR
20130806 12:18:30 <sgothel> Domain Name:THENESIS.ORG
20130806 12:18:30 <sgothel> Created On:27-Jul-2006 18:08:05 UTC
20130806 12:18:30 <sgothel> Last Updated On:21-Jul-2011 19:38:13 UTC
20130806 12:18:30 <sgothel> Expiration Date:27-Jul-2014 18:08:05 UTC
20130806 12:18:31 <rmk0> http://bloggl.thenesis.org
20130806 12:18:32 <rmk0> ?
20130806 12:19:06 <rmk0> i can't resolve www. either
20130806 12:19:10 <rmk0> but that address works
20130806 12:19:11 <sgothel> http://www.blogger.com/profile/05711418938069973601
20130806 12:19:59 <sgothel> who is has it's address and phone ..
20130806 12:20:37 <rmk0> heh
20130806 12:20:49 <sgothel> Hi Mark :)
20130806 12:20:53 <rmk0> lo
20130806 12:21:02 <rmk0> not been around much for a week or so... trying to come back to life
20130806 12:21:11 <sgothel> would you be interested in Ji Gong as well ?
20130806 12:21:22 <rmk0> it does interest me
20130806 12:21:31 <xranby> his sandbox with the prototype setup is still online: http://sandbox.thenesis.org/icedrobot
20130806 12:21:32 <rmk0> i really like the idea of a modular jvm
20130806 12:21:34 <sgothel> awesome!
20130806 12:21:59 <rmk0> jvm startup times are probably one of the strongest criticisms of java left
20130806 12:22:08 <sgothel> looks like nobody likes to do the crosscompile stuff :)
20130806 12:22:26 <rmk0> i had an intensely miserable two years cross-compiling the GNAT ada compiler
20130806 12:22:36 <rmk0> doubt the jvm is worse than that
20130806 12:22:38 <sgothel> https://jogamp.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=792 - Join Xerxes .. if you can
20130806 12:23:05 <sgothel> ideas about how to get sponsors .. our wheels are spinning in this regard ..
20130806 12:23:19 <sgothel> maybe .. check out Samsung in UK/London ?
20130806 12:23:38 * rmk0 reads logs
20130806 12:23:42 <sgothel> contacts ..
20130806 12:23:57 <sgothel> most is written on the forum posts and bug entries
20130806 12:24:17 <sgothel> .. and Xerxes's nice image illustrating the horse/chair :)
20130806 12:27:48 <xranby> ok we have a really good introduction.. like a full session BOF
20130806 12:28:18 <xranby> one friend of mine asked for the teaser version suitable for project managers
20130806 12:28:22 <sgothel> Yup .. I like to prefer showing FOSDEM 2013 1st, explaining what we do ..
20130806 12:28:43 <sgothel> SIGGRAPH 2013 .. well, it's 'just' showing lots of the demos :)
20130806 12:29:03 <sgothel> hence .. use FOSDEM 2013 teaser IMHO
20130806 12:29:20 <sgothel> then cont' w/ siggraph if hooked :)
20130806 12:29:31 <sgothel> makes sense ?
20130806 12:29:44 <xranby> yes
20130806 12:38:43 <rmk0> think it would be worth following the jigsaw profiles as closely as possible
20130806 12:39:05 <rmk0> don't want to get into a situation a couple of years from now where the runtime distributed here is incompatible with something official like jigsaw
20130806 12:39:43 <sgothel> sure .. and especially the JEP 161, which is the goal to achieve .. maybe using Jigsaw
20130806 12:39:58 <rmk0> yeah, that one
20130806 12:40:07 <rmk0> i assume the core profile would be "compact1"
20130806 12:40:24 <sgothel> Jigsaw == tool to reach goal .. which didn't yet accomplished yet .. long awaited though ..
20130806 12:40:40 <sgothel> .. or compact2 .. something .. yes
20130806 12:52:53 <xranby> rmk0: i am up to my sleves into compiling jigsaw and test what functinality is available today
20130806 12:53:45 <rmk0> ow
20130806 12:54:04 <rmk0> how painful is it to build?
20130806 12:54:37 <sgothel> would be great to have your 'usual' wget/tar/make thingy recipe :)
20130806 12:54:50 <sgothel> here .. 'hg clone' ofc :)
20130806 12:55:10 * rmk0 sniggers at mercurial
20130806 12:55:28 <xranby> much better than some months ago!
20130806 12:55:29 <xranby> http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/jigsaw-dev/2013-May/003322.html
20130806 12:55:50 <xranby> they have merged the new configure based builds system \o/
20130806 12:56:22 <xranby> the dependencies required to build it is still massive like all openjdk builds
20130806 12:56:39 <sgothel> looks like I am blocking the project soon w/ JWeb :)
20130806 12:56:47 <xranby> that can fortunally be solved by almost one commandline on debian/ubuntu
20130806 12:57:05 <xranby> apt-get build-dep openjdk-7-jdk
20130806 12:57:26 <xranby> will pull in all dependencies required to build openjdk 7 with is about identical to this one
20130806 12:57:37 <sgothel> sure .. the Windows .. etc thingy will be a bit less convenient
20130806 12:58:00 <sgothel> http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/jigsaw-dev/2013-May/003324.html <- Ali did though ..
20130806 12:58:20 <xranby> horray for a sane build system :)
20130806 12:59:09 * rmk0 creates a new arch VM
20130806 12:59:23 <xranby> Arch Linux ?
20130806 12:59:24 <rmk0> that's... not autoconf is it?
20130806 12:59:28 <rmk0> xranby: yesh
20130806 13:00:20 <xranby> rmk0: downloading the world and the kitchen zink usually takes a bit of time :)
20130806 13:00:37 <xranby> dependencies
20130806 13:00:52 <sgothel> .. he is used to that -> maven :)
20130806 13:01:55 <xranby> rmk0: try
20130806 13:02:00 <xranby> hg clone http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jigsaw/jigsaw
20130806 13:02:05 <xranby> cd jigsaw
20130806 13:02:15 <xranby> sh ./get_source.sh
20130806 13:02:59 <sgothel> .. doing same here (debian7)
20130806 13:03:10 <rmk0> sgothel: hehe
20130806 13:03:23 <rmk0> "mvn -C clean verify" and watch it clone all of apache.org
20130806 13:03:36 <rmk0> just waiting for this VM to finish installing itself
20130806 13:03:39 <sgothel> need it to do JWeb .. i.e. using it for icedtea-web .. hmm
20130806 13:03:48 <xranby> sh configure && make all
20130806 13:04:00 <xranby> make test TEST=jdk_jigsaw
20130806 13:04:04 <sgothel> layout .. JiGong/jigsaw
20130806 13:04:28 <xranby> if that work then try add funny options to configure
20130806 13:04:52 <xranby> if it fails.. fix the source :)
20130806 13:05:49 <sgothel> curious .. how to bundle other VMs as supported by IcedTea ..
20130806 13:06:24 <xranby> its a bit undocumented the key is that there exist a jvm.cfg file inside the jre directory
20130806 13:06:53 <xranby> this file lists all folders inside java/jre/lib/<arch>/* that contains a libjvm.so
20130806 13:07:12 <xranby> the top most -myawesomejvm KNOWN line becomes the default
20130806 13:07:29 <xranby> the libjvm.so itself implement the JNI spec
20130806 13:08:26 <xranby> basically according to this book: http://web.archive.org/web/20120905183616/http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jni/download/jni.pdf
20130806 13:08:43 <xranby> + all added JEP's & JSR's over time + some openjdk undocumented apis
20130806 13:08:56 <xranby> jamvm and cacao for example implements this
20130806 13:09:17 <xranby> and allows you to place the jamvm, cacao, avian libjvm.so inside one subfolder
20130806 13:09:25 <xranby> and add a line -jamvm KNOWN to the jvm.cfg
20130806 13:09:25 <sgothel> I mean .. how to do it within this build process .. ah, great
20130806 13:09:54 <xranby> during builds... there was previously a mecanism inside the openjdk source
20130806 13:10:19 <xranby> if you defined ALT_HOTSPOT_IMPORT_PATH or similar pointing to a prebuilt libjvm.so
20130806 13:10:27 <xranby> it would import that one instead of building it from scratch
20130806 13:10:39 <xranby> this mechanism changes from time to time
20130806 13:10:59 <xranby> at present it require a directory that looks like a real JDK installation
20130806 13:11:11 <xranby> (although it only copys the libjvm.so)
20130806 13:11:29 <xranby> we use this trick to build openjdk using jamvm using the icedtea build system
20130806 13:11:32 <sgothel> so .. that is still there :)
20130806 13:11:48 <xranby> all details are found inside the icedtea project
20130806 13:12:08 <xranby> hence makes it possible to build openjdk on platforms without hotspot
20130806 13:12:20 <xranby> ... i will not go into details on how to bootstrap openjdk
20130806 13:12:27 <xranby> from scratch on a new architecture
20130806 13:12:32 <xranby> .. its black magic
20130806 13:13:21 <xranby> basically you do GCC -> GCJ -> ECJ -> ANT -> bootstrap openjdk subset compiled using ecj -> openjdk
20130806 13:13:31 <xranby> and deal with all cyclic complexity
20130806 13:13:57 <sgothel> ./jdk/make/modules/modules.config !
20130806 13:17:03 * rmk0 has waking nightmares
20130806 13:20:51 <xranby> rmk0: :/ what do they look like?
20130806 13:21:27 <sgothel> --disable-headful <- at least this can discable AWT .. curious whether separation is clean .. waiting for build
20130806 13:21:59 <sgothel> --enable-unlimited-crypto <- so what the limited crypto ? :)
20130806 13:22:14 <rmk0> xranby: i see cross compiling gcc on the horizon, and then it eats me alive!
20130806 13:23:50 <sgothel> @Mark: crosstools-ng :)
20130806 13:24:14 <sgothel> .. tons of warnings some tests produce errors .. hmm
20130806 13:24:38 <sgothel> a nashorn appears - asking us to do a WebGL impl ? :)
20130806 13:24:47 <xranby> sgothel: I got an reply from robilad @ oracle! JEP 161 got included in OpenJDK 8 M7 2013/06/13 (b94) Feature Complete milestone http://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk8/milestones
20130806 13:24:48 <xranby> thus... it should be possible to compile a compact1 profile using the openjdk 8 sourcecode without the modular system added using jigsaw
20130806 13:25:00 <xranby> i am a bit confused about this reply but ok good
20130806 13:25:34 <sgothel> lol .. so JEP 161 even dropped jigsaw ? fascinating ..
20130806 13:25:41 * rmk0 looks up crosstools-ng
20130806 13:26:00 <sgothel> @Mark: I used it to do the x64 -> Arm32-* thingy ..
20130806 13:26:08 <sgothel> it's .. err .. in our files section
20130806 13:28:03 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/files/toolchain/
20130806 13:28:50 <xranby> sgothel: i have verified these tools work for me to setup the jogamp cross compile builds! thank you for providing them
20130806 13:30:22 <sgothel> so this openjdk8 build .. does _not_ use jigsaw (what we are testing now) .. and impl. JEP 161 ( M4 161) ?
20130806 13:30:29 <sgothel> *M7 161*
20130806 13:31:00 <sgothel> well .. then even better :)
20130806 13:31:39 <xranby> if i understand correctly jigsaw basically adds the java -m module command switch hmm
20130806 13:32:07 <xranby> yes lets check our JDK 8 src and check the JEP 161 compact1 thingy!
20130806 13:32:23 <sgothel> yup .. lets do a openjdk8 build in parallel now :)
20130806 13:32:31 <xranby> my machine will die :)
20130806 13:32:52 <sgothel> I share my 8 cores :) .. you are still on the AC100 ? lol :)
20130806 13:33:16 <xranby> hg clone http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk8/jdk8
20130806 13:33:36 <xranby> stop making fun of my productive machines :D
20130806 13:34:19 <xranby> ... and 32bit system setups
20130806 13:34:51 <xranby> its great to compare x86 32bit vs arm 32bit during bug hunting
20130806 13:35:00 <xranby> thats why if someone asks
20130806 13:35:13 <xranby> else it would make no sence
20130806 13:36:14 <xranby> sgothel: no i have switched and run native ARM32 bit builds on the chromebook
20130806 13:36:33 <xranby> tested to build openjdk on it less than a week ago :)
20130806 13:38:20 * rmk0 clones
20130806 13:38:21 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/git/?p=users/sgothel/jigong.git;a=summary
20130806 13:38:35 <sgothel> now adding openjdk8 :)
20130806 13:39:24 <xranby> not today
20130806 13:39:24 <xranby> today.. is mine and the mars rovers birthday
20130806 13:39:24 <xranby> speaking of which i will depart soon and have fun
20130806 13:39:25 <xranby> so... the reason my machine will die.. is all about 4gb ram 32bit sillyness :)
20130806 13:40:33 <sgothel> wow .. yes .. your chromebook recipes .. maybe a blog post ?
20130806 13:40:55 <sgothel> HAPPY BIRTHDAY .. Duh!
20130806 13:41:24 <sgothel> didn't sync my calendar .. grr
20130806 13:41:27 <xranby> thank you, on behalf of me and the rover! :D
20130806 13:45:06 <xranby> i will blog post when i have es running on the chromebook
20130806 13:45:44 <xranby> i still have to research the hacks needed to add es drivers to the ubuntu installation
20130806 13:45:58 <xranby> copy from android / grabbing from google mali sdk
20130806 13:46:01 <sgothel> nice - will compare jigsaw/jep161-openjdk8 later
20130806 13:46:11 <sgothel> good kickstart - thx dude!
20130806 13:46:14 <xranby> thank you, good progress all
20130806 13:46:39 <sgothel> it's always that 1st blank sheet of paper ..
20130806 13:54:43 <xranby> Dalibor Topic - @xranby @mreinhold JEP 161 does not require Project Jigsaw. See https://blogs.oracle.com/jtc/entry/a_first_look_at_compact … for more information.
20130806 13:54:57 <xranby> https://blogs.oracle.com/jtc/entry/a_first_look_at_compact
20130806 13:56:04 <sgothel> very good
20130806 13:56:28 <sgothel> looking for the compile switch :)
20130806 13:57:40 <sgothel> http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk8/jdk8/raw-file/tip/README-builds.html .. looks familiar :)
20130806 14:02:26 <sgothel> pushed docs etc
20130806 14:02:42 <rmk0> building now
20130806 14:02:57 <sgothel> jigsaw is done .. jdk8 in progress :)
20130806 14:03:35 <sgothel> hoping the compact jars will simply .. fall out of it :)
20130806 14:04:16 <xranby> --with-import-hotspot=path good
20130806 14:04:46 <sgothel> you mean .. reuse that one .. to speed up ? great ..
20130806 14:05:00 <sgothel> pls update git repo docs .. :)
20130806 14:05:21 <sgothel> shall I push jigong git repo to our root SCM ?
20130806 14:05:32 <xranby> where else?
20130806 14:05:44 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/git/?p=users/sgothel/jigong.git;a=summary .. ok will di
20130806 14:05:46 <sgothel> *do*
20130806 14:06:51 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/git/?p=jigong.git;a=summary
20130806 14:07:21 <xranby> or do you mean the jdk8 hg repo?
20130806 14:07:33 <sgothel> no .. not 'yet' :)
20130806 14:07:42 <sgothel> I mean .. it won't disappear .. 'eh ? :)
20130806 14:08:05 <sgothel> but yes .. maybe doing an hg->git clone .. there must be a git-hg plugin
20130806 14:12:23 <sgothel> drwxrwsr-x 7 sgothel jigong 10 Aug 6 15:34 jigong.git
20130806 14:12:34 <sgothel> welcome to the the group-id jigong
20130806 14:13:15 <sgothel> jigong:x:2541:sgothel,xranby,hharrison,mraynsford
20130806 14:14:38 <xranby> oracles test results for the jdk8 branch is out http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/quality-discuss/2013-August/000133.html good to have when you test your own open jdk8 build
20130806 14:15:02 <xranby> known bugs etc...
20130806 14:15:28 <xranby> http://download.java.net/jdk8/testresults/docs/knownissues.html
20130806 14:16:07 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/git/?p=jigong.git;a=tree;f=doc;h=51ddcd2e6a0b42a697efc1cac239c64270d03047;hb=refs/heads/master <- put a README.OpenJDK8.txt in here ?
20130806 14:16:43 <xranby> sgothel: my mind is a blank page.. containing?!
20130806 14:17:57 <xranby> the existing files document it well no? ./doc/README.JEP161.txt - OpenJDK8 JEP161 Build and ./doc/README.Jigsaw.txt - OpenJDK8 Jigsaw Build
20130806 14:18:42 <xranby> sure a README.OpenJDK8.txt may document a full OpenJDK8 build etc
20130806 14:19:05 <sgothel> doc/Tracking.OpenJDK8.txt .. to track issues .. etc .. and iff we diverge ..
20130806 14:20:17 <xranby> looks good
20130806 14:20:33 <sgothel> all build .. but I fail to see other *.jar files reflecting compact .. hmm
20130806 14:20:46 <sgothel> find build/linux-x86_64-normal-server-release/ -name \*.jar
20130806 14:21:17 <xranby> look inside build/linux-x86_64-normal-server-release/images
20130806 14:21:39 <xranby> that is where the "release" images are to be found
20130806 14:21:42 <sgothel> sure I did ..
20130806 14:21:48 <sgothel> rt.jar is complete
20130806 14:23:55 <xranby> the jigsaw build looks interesing
20130806 14:26:41 <sgothel> the jdk8.module thingy ..
20130806 14:27:07 <xranby> 28M jre-base-image
20130806 14:27:21 <xranby> this is with debug symbols included
20130806 14:27:24 <xranby> i think
20130806 14:27:35 <xranby> for the native libs
20130806 14:29:21 <xranby> all classes inside a new kind of jmod format
20130806 14:29:43 <sgothel> jmod ?
20130806 14:29:49 <xranby> java module
20130806 14:30:46 <sgothel> interesting .. zipped, special file-layout .. and index/offset .. I guess
20130806 14:31:34 <xranby> looks similar format to deb packages... jpkg
20130806 14:31:42 <sgothel> looks like something useful :)
20130806 14:31:49 <xranby> jmod extract ...
20130806 14:31:52 <xranby> to unpack them
20130806 14:33:29 <sgothel> jre-base-image/lib/modules/jdk.base/8-ea/classes does not contain awt .. good!
20130806 14:34:29 <sgothel> ( or use unzip :)
20130806 14:35:26 <rmk0> bah, jigsaw doesn't build here
20130806 14:35:32 <sgothel> wonder where they have hidden awt ..
20130806 14:35:50 <rmk0> some warnings in the source are being treated as errors with this gcc, so the build fails
20130806 14:35:59 <sgothel> ah .. that one ..
20130806 14:36:09 <sgothel> yup .. you need to disable -Werror
20130806 14:36:38 <sgothel> "gcc (Debian 4.7.2-5) 4.7.2" is clean though
20130806 14:36:55 <rmk0> is there some obvious place to disable -Werror?
20130806 14:37:07 <sgothel> ./configure .. one sec
20130806 14:37:50 <rmk0> CXXFLAGS?
20130806 14:37:57 <sgothel> yup
20130806 14:38:31 <sgothel> .. and what was the reverse .. of -Werror ?
20130806 14:38:38 <xranby> Wall ?
20130806 14:38:41 <rmk0> -Wno-error, i'm guessing
20130806 14:38:52 <sgothel> something like that yes
20130806 14:39:14 <sgothel> -Wno-error
20130806 14:40:04 <sgothel> please add this magic to a new file doc/BuildIssues.txt .. or something ..
20130806 14:40:16 <rmk0> i'm going to put money on this not affecting the build in the slightest
20130806 14:40:25 <rmk0> can't believe people still use autoconf
20130806 14:40:29 <rmk0> well ... i can believe it
20130806 14:40:29 <sgothel> haha
20130806 14:40:42 <sgothel> they did in 2005 ..
20130806 14:40:47 <rmk0> it seems like the worst possible solution in all cases
20130806 14:42:06 <xranby> rmk0: it was using daisy chaned MakeFiles up untill some months ago
20130806 14:42:06 <xranby> + ant alot
20130806 14:42:06 <xranby> try compile OpenJDK6.. and you will see
20130806 14:42:06 <xranby> openjfx uses gradle
20130806 14:42:11 <xranby> so each team have their own ways
20130806 14:43:07 <xranby> someone should take a look at the openjdk source and extract the maya importer
20130806 14:43:11 <xranby> openjfx
20130806 14:45:47 <sgothel> jigsaw/build/linux-x86_64-normal-server-release/images$ for i in `find . -name classes -a -type f` ; do echo $i ; zgrep Canvas $i ; done
20130806 14:45:49 <sgothel> nothing
20130806 14:45:59 <xranby> http://hg.openjdk.java.net/openjfx/8/graphics/rt/log?rev=maya
20130806 14:46:53 <sgothel> there might be 2 .. Johnny was telling me ..
20130806 14:47:04 <sgothel> I fail to ses Chris in the commits .. hmm
20130806 14:47:22 <xranby> they have arranged their hg trees in a forest
20130806 14:47:42 <xranby> you will have to search http://hg.openjdk.java.net/openjfx/8/ and http://hg.openjdk.java.net/openjfx/8/graphics/ as well
20130806 14:47:45 <xranby> differrnt hg trees
20130806 14:48:43 <xranby> the complete wooden hg forest landscape is visible from this mountain peak http://hg.openjdk.java.net/
20130806 14:49:38 <xranby> thus 10 hg forest is in use for openjfx 8 alone
20130806 14:49:42 <sgothel> AWT: ./jre-module-image/lib/modules/jdk.desktop/8-ea/classes ./jdk-module-image/lib/modules/jdk.desktop/8-ea/classes
20130806 14:49:52 <xranby> ok good!
20130806 14:49:53 <sgothel> for i in `find . -name classes -a -type f` ; do echo $i ; unzip -l $i | grep Canvas ; done | less
20130806 14:50:16 <xranby> pick and match modules
20130806 14:50:38 <sgothel> for i in `find . -name classes -a -type f` ; do unzip -l $i | grep Canvas && echo $i ; done | less
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20130806 14:56:08 <sgothel> NewMakefile.gmk: $(info . make profiles # Create complete j2re compact profile images)
20130806 14:56:51 <sgothel> make profiles images
20130806 14:58:05 <sgothel> jdk8/build/linux-x86_64-normal-server-release/images/j2re-compact1-image
20130806 14:58:08 <sgothel> voila
20130806 14:58:51 <sgothel> so .. what shall we use then ? jigsaw or plain JEP161 .. ? AFAIK the latter ..
20130806 14:59:03 <sgothel> JEP161 compact2 for now ?
20130806 14:59:46 <sgothel> sven@risa:/usr/local/projects/JiGong/jdk8/build/linux-x86_64-normal-server-release/images$ ll j2re-compact1-image/lib/rt.jar
20130806 14:59:46 <sgothel> -rw-r--r-- 1 sven sven 14249324 Aug 6 16:56 j2re-compact1-image/lib/rt.jar
20130806 14:59:46 <sgothel> sven@risa:/usr/local/projects/JiGong/jdk8/build/linux-x86_64-normal-server-release/images$ ll j2re-compact2-image/lib/rt.jar
20130806 14:59:46 <sgothel> -rw-r--r-- 1 sven sven 25552408 Aug 6 16:56 j2re-compact2-image/lib/rt.jar
20130806 14:59:46 <sgothel> sven@risa:/usr/local/projects/JiGong/jdk8/build/linux-x86_64-normal-server-release/images$ ll j2re-compact3-image/lib/rt.jar
20130806 14:59:46 <sgothel> -rw-r--r-- 1 sven sven 31663632 Aug 6 16:57 j2re-compact3-image/lib/rt.jar
20130806 15:00:06 <xranby> footprint?
20130806 15:00:12 <sgothel> yup
20130806 15:00:19 <sgothel> https://blogs.oracle.com/jtc/entry/a_first_look_at_compact ..
20130806 15:00:31 <sgothel> we may only want to have some SQL and XML .. hmm
20130806 15:00:45 <xranby> 14mb looks nice
20130806 15:00:45 <xranby> ofc
20130806 15:00:47 <sgothel> cost .. compact2 ~ +14MB
20130806 15:01:45 <sgothel> ~ + 11MB sorry
20130806 15:02:12 <sgothel> 14M j2re-compact1-image/lib/rt.jar
20130806 15:02:17 <sgothel> 25M j2re-compact2-image/lib/rt.jar
20130806 15:02:22 <sgothel> 31M j2re-compact3-image/lib/rt.jar
20130806 15:03:40 <sgothel> or .. we simply provide the 3 profile as they are ..
20130806 15:05:04 <xranby> sounds good as well
20130806 15:05:04 <xranby> some peple may want to use the AWT canvas etc
20130806 15:05:29 <sgothel> which is non-profile here .. or: profile4 :)
20130806 15:05:36 <sgothel> i.e. default jre
20130806 15:05:43 <sgothel> too bad .. you cannot mix and match
20130806 15:06:03 <sgothel> looks like you can do this somewhat w/ jigsaw .. hmm
20130806 15:10:42 <xranby> ok good kick off! happy building
20130806 15:11:00 <xranby> i will drive slowly and enjoy the evening
20130806 15:11:02 * rmk0 wins bet with self
20130806 15:11:27 <sgothel> * enjoy * .. and THX to your Wife & Family for letting us having you !
20130806 15:11:39 <rmk0> hehe
20130806 15:11:41 <xranby> cheers!
20130806 15:11:46 * rmk0 unties xranby
20130806 15:12:02 <xranby> haha :D i am loose
20130806 15:12:13 <xranby> runs around eating hay
20130806 15:12:24 <sgothel> hehe .. after finishing w/ the woods
20130806 15:14:07 <sgothel> the native stuff is not stripped .. hmm
20130806 15:14:21 <sgothel> thought they have some dual thingy .. like stripped and non stripped
20130806 15:14:59 <sgothel> --disable-debug-symbols --disable-zip-debug-info .. maybe
20130806 15:16:32 * xranby (~xranby@anon) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
20130806 15:16:47 <sgothel> --enable-openjdk-only <- probably important ? License Issues ?
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20130806 17:37:31 <hharrison> Wow, lots of backlog to look at
20130806 17:37:38 <sgothel> hehe
20130806 17:37:49 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/git/?p=jigong.git;a=summary
20130806 17:38:28 <hharrison> Only thing that's jumped out so far is the bionic/glibc issue, musl is a great little libc project that offers more than bionic, while still being bsd
20130806 17:38:54 <sgothel> dunno .. I guess it is just another case of .. developed here :)
20130806 17:38:58 <hharrison> Rob Landley, has been doing the work to make android self-hosting, with his aborigianl linux project
20130806 17:39:26 <hharrison> s/aborigianl/aboriginal/
20130806 17:39:35 <sgothel> export/linux-x86_64-normal-server-release/j2re-compact1-image <- will use this one for my JWeb task ..
20130806 17:40:17 <sgothel> maybe even exploiting icedtea-web for our own plugin .. hmm, this would at least get rid of all the security dialogs :)
20130806 17:40:48 <hharrison> Ohh, these compact profiles look rather interesting
20130806 17:40:52 <sgothel> interesting Q .. can we write that browser extension, which installs something ?
20130806 17:41:05 <sgothel> me not a browser extension expert .. hmm
20130806 17:41:17 <sgothel> i.e. java n/a -> install ji-gong
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20130806 18:12:16 <hharrison> Just FYI: http://www.musl-libc.org/intro.html
20130806 23:26:49 <odin_> hi all sgothel xranby thanks for the thought on OpenGL but I am in no way an OpenGL guru, that is why I monitor in here :)
20130806 23:27:38 <odin_> low level stuff fine (drivers and such) but not OpenGL API application level
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