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20130810 07:14:41 <sgothel> good morning
20130810 07:14:58 <sgothel> @Xerxes: Pushed off-thread decoding (WIP!)
20130810 07:15:06 <sgothel> no .. away for the beach :)
20130810 07:15:24 <sgothel> (works for ffmpeg/libav)
20130810 07:15:27 <sgothel> laters ..
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20130810 16:50:02 <sgothel> back .. swimming in Northsea on Spieckeroog
20130810 16:51:01 <sgothel> now some refinement I guess (m-player)
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20130810 17:12:08 <sgothel> @Xerxes: Exposing more meaningful a/v timestamps .. allowing define AudioSink .. then dealing w/ a/v sync.
20130810 17:12:35 <sgothel> Note: AC3 streams are horrible slow .. will check on this ..
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20130810 20:19:16 <gouessej> hi
20130810 20:19:28 <void256> lo
20130810 20:20:58 <gouessej> Mark, have you seen that? http://forum.jogamp.org/Release-2-0-2-tp4029632p4029725.html
20130810 20:24:59 <gouessej> There is a small problem with Maven
20130810 20:25:16 <gouessej> I don't know whether it comes from BuildHive (Ardor3D) or from us :s
20130810 20:26:09 <rmk0> lo
20130810 20:26:11 * rmk0 eyes it
20130810 20:26:16 <gouessej> ok
20130810 20:26:51 <rmk0> hm, weird
20130810 20:27:08 <gouessej> yes, it is weird as it worked the very first time
20130810 20:27:20 <gouessej> when JOGL 2.0.2 was out
20130810 20:27:22 <gouessej> :s
20130810 20:27:28 <rmk0> it's definitely in the central repos
20130810 20:27:51 <gouessej> Should Renanse just rerun BuildHive?
20130810 20:27:55 <rmk0> http://search.maven.org/remotecontent?filepath=org/jogamp/gluegen/gluegen-rt-main/2.0.2/gluegen-rt-main-2.0.2.pom
20130810 20:28:20 <rmk0> it vaguely looks like something's gone wrong in the local cache
20130810 20:28:39 <rmk0> i think you can provoke maven into doing that by removing files from the local cache without updating the various xml files it uses as metadata
20130810 20:29:06 <rmk0> not sure if you can access the maven command line options from buildhive, but there's an option to force update packages
20130810 20:29:19 <gouessej> ok I'll speak about that to neothemachine. Which option?
20130810 20:29:21 <rmk0> as in... it'll totally ignore what's in the local cache and check online
20130810 20:29:30 <rmk0> -U
20130810 20:29:34 <gouessej> ok
20130810 20:29:34 <rmk0> -U,--update-snapshots Forces a check for updated
20130810 20:29:34 <rmk0> releases and snapshots on remote
20130810 20:29:34 <rmk0> repositories
20130810 20:29:40 <gouessej> thanks
20130810 20:31:33 <gouessej> void256, someone a bit agressive came to the Ardor3D forum and talked about Nifty GUI, JMonkeyEngine 3, etc...
20130810 20:32:22 <gouessej> lol I think that the disappointment caused by hardware accelerated GUIs drives some programmers really mad :p
20130810 20:33:08 <rmk0> was it in vaguely eastern-european broken english?
20130810 20:33:49 <gouessej> My English is a bit broken too. I don't know how to detect this subtype of broken English
20130810 20:33:58 <gouessej> he wasn't a native speaker for sure
20130810 20:35:16 <gouessej> http://www.ardor3d.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=12639
20130810 20:36:01 <void256> "You sound very professional yourself... Perhaps you'd be better served by another engine! Best of luck."
20130810 20:36:03 <void256> xD
20130810 20:36:37 <gouessej> I completely agree with Renanse
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20130810 20:36:59 <gouessej> we helped this guy and he almost insulted us
20130810 20:37:32 <gouessej> Writing hardware accelerated GUIs is difficult
20130810 20:37:34 <void256> are we sure he talks about Nifty tho?
20130810 20:37:38 <gouessej> We do our best
20130810 20:37:42 <gouessej> yes
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20130810 20:38:10 <void256> because ardor3ds default gui is now nifty too? o_O
20130810 20:38:23 <gouessej> no but he spoke about JME 3
20130810 20:38:42 <gouessej> "And one more thing: I came from JMonkeyEngine3, that is a completely uneffective and masochistic engine with its Nity GUI as the main guest in builder pattern madness, with XML "bad boy" theme system. "
20130810 20:38:47 <gouessej> :s
20130810 20:38:55 <gouessej> "Nity GUI" lol
20130810 20:39:52 <gouessej> void256, I didn't know that you were masochistic
20130810 20:39:54 <gouessej> :p
20130810 20:40:02 <void256> thank god I'm over it to take such things personally ... been there done that tho
20130810 20:40:07 <void256> oh I am!!!
20130810 20:40:20 <gouessej> Yes, don't take it personally
20130810 20:40:29 <void256> Nifty is my way to terrorize the world!
20130810 20:40:30 <void256> *muhaha*
20130810 20:40:36 <gouessej> He dared to claim that I was naive
20130810 20:40:51 <gouessej> he was naive to think that insulting people would encourage them to help him
20130810 20:40:55 <void256> I've learned that the hard way tho ;)
20130810 20:41:30 <void256> in the beginning of nifty + jme3 there was a lot of hate
20130810 20:41:34 <void256> which I can understand :D
20130810 20:43:09 <gouessej> Why?
20130810 20:43:32 <void256> I do hate javafx at times when I use it at my day job and things don't work out as expected for one reason or another mostly lack of knowledge was the main cause tho ... I understand that this is a frustrating matter at times . well I'm lucky tho there have not been death threads or so ^^
20130810 20:43:55 <gouessej> me too
20130810 20:44:11 <void256> like in the polygon fish thing
20130810 20:44:20 <gouessej> hide() = close()??? high memory footprint, deployment problems...
20130810 20:44:44 <void256> polytron
20130810 20:45:09 <gouessej> If I can reassure you, even when you know what you have to do, JavaFX can be really frustrating
20130810 20:45:25 <void256> I know! :)
20130810 20:45:36 <gouessej> I'm not motivated to fully support it in JOGL
20130810 20:45:46 <gouessej> I will just do the minimum
20130810 20:46:17 <void256> its quite a huge beast :)
20130810 20:46:28 <void256> lots of nice things in it tho
20130810 20:46:33 <gouessej> yes
20130810 20:46:43 <gouessej> I admit there are some interesting features
20130810 20:46:48 <gouessej> the charting API for example
20130810 20:46:52 <gouessej> not that bad
20130810 20:47:19 <void256> I agree ... and still I have fought with it quite a bit :)
20130810 20:47:37 <void256> with bugs in the examples
20130810 20:47:53 <void256> but they are/were pretty responsive on their official jira
20130810 20:47:55 <gouessej> lol
20130810 20:48:37 <gouessej> Maybe Geertjan wrote this example too
20130810 20:48:38 <void256> andymcmillan: Absolute required reading. “Swimming in a sea of shit: Phil Fish and the Internet’s war against creatives”: http://t.co/gge7KP1JRq
20130810 20:48:45 <void256> that was a nice read
20130810 20:50:24 <void256> actually not nice tho
20130810 20:52:39 <gouessej> "being in the public eye", I know what it means
20130810 20:52:46 <gouessej> :(
20130810 20:54:10 <void256> because of jogl?
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20130810 20:54:50 <gouessej> no
20130810 20:55:01 <gouessej> because of something I shouldn't have done
20130810 20:55:25 <gouessej> I understand what they say about insults
20130810 20:55:36 <gouessej> but this is illegal in France
20130810 20:55:53 <gouessej> Public insults and public defamation are illegal here :)
20130810 20:56:25 <gouessej> There is no true freedom of speech without boundaries, without limits, without a "frame"
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20130810 20:58:20 <gouessej> I don't use Twitter, people are nicer on Identi.ca
20130810 21:01:38 <gouessej> void256, have you found an efficient way of disabling the D3D pipeline in JavaFX?
20130810 21:01:51 <gouessej> Does the software renderer work well under Windows??
20130810 21:03:01 <void256> well, there are some system properties to disable prism hardware acceleration which makes JavaFX fall back to Java2D software rendering iirc
20130810 21:03:26 <void256> we've not tested software only at work so I can't really comment on how reliable that is
20130810 21:03:56 <void256> from my experiements on mac osx it was slower but if you don't do a lot of funky animations you could get away with it
20130810 21:04:12 <void256> it was not *totally* crap :)
20130810 21:04:31 <gouessej> ok cool
20130810 21:04:40 <gouessej> I use the prism order property
20130810 21:04:48 <gouessej> but it is only an hint
20130810 21:05:15 <void256> you refered to some reality tv show you were a part of, right? iirc you briefly mentioned it in an email to me years ago but maybe I am messing things up ;)
20130810 21:05:52 <void256> I'm pretty sure you could disable prism completely o_O
20130810 21:06:07 <gouessej> you're right but some people already insulted me when I was younger anyway, even before this thing
20130810 21:06:35 <gouessej> really? it would be cool to disable prism
20130810 21:08:38 <void256> probably not ... I think we only used "prism.order" :/
20130810 21:08:44 <void256> https://forums.oracle.com/thread/2390862
20130810 21:08:55 <void256> there is no disable there, so it must be order
20130810 21:09:27 <void256> http://stackoverflow.com/a/16264549
20130810 21:09:56 <void256> I think I've used that but it was only on mac (and with j2d only iirc)
20130810 21:10:50 <gouessej> "if we haven't documented the command line switches, they're fair game for removal / modification in subsequent releases :-) "
20130810 21:10:54 <gouessej> :s
20130810 21:14:05 <gouessej> ok I have to leave. Bye. Thank you
20130810 21:14:13 <void256> aye there is a jira ticket for this but I don have my password with me
20130810 21:14:17 <void256> alright
20130810 21:14:19 <void256> nn
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