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20130919 02:57:33 * Topic is 'http://jogamp.org | Hacking 3D Graphics, Multimedia and Processing across Devices'
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20130919 11:03:25 <xranby> Do you remember the colored balls and sticks http://zometool.com/products/detail/keplers-kosmos Java3D Vzome http://vzome.com/ demo that hharrison showcased at siggraph 2013? http://youtu.be/X3Id2VGR1Ik?t=307
20130919 11:03:29 <xranby> It turns out these balls and sticks are popular toys for the particle physicists! :D --> http://people.mpim-bonn.mpg.de/cmautner/
20130919 11:04:41 <xranby> todays aha moment
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20130919 12:25:00 <xranby> sgothel: the latest work on the Amplituhedron is made by Jaroslav Trnka a collegue to Nima Arkani-Hamed: http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~tonge105/igst13/Trnka.pdf I look forward to when their final thesis on the Amplituhedron gets published.
20130919 13:27:16 <monsieur_max> i found a post on what might come with java 8, with heavy mention on javaFX on ios and android : http://pixelduke.wordpress.com/2013/09/14/whats-new-in-java-8-part-ii-what-might-come
20130919 13:29:52 <monsieur_max> ( the blog is javaFX oriented, so that was expected though )
20130919 13:35:22 <xranby> I have tested to compile openjfx 8 using openjdk 8 on ubuntu
20130919 13:35:22 <xranby> you can compile it and run some demos with slight patching https://twitter.com/xranby/status/366925956734144512/photo/1
20130919 13:35:22 <xranby> I have filed bugs to oracle for all showblockers: 1. https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-32285 - "Confidential code pushed to OpenJFX rt"
20130919 13:35:22 <xranby> 2a. https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-32288 - "OpenJDK fails to build media" 2b. https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-32290 - "Open source media" (media is still closed source)
20130919 13:35:22 <xranby> 3a. https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-32289 - "OpenJDK fails to build web" 3b. https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-32314 - "OpenJFX fails to build native webkit code" (web depends on closed source code to compile)
20130919 13:35:22 <xranby> 4. https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-32287 - OpenJFX java build check fail using manual jdk8 OpenJDK builds (openjfx currently on pass build runtime check using oracle builds, can be easily patched to remove the check)
20130919 13:35:23 <xranby> and thats about it
20130919 13:35:23 <xranby> 2. and 3. prevents compilation and run of all javafx examples using audio, video & css source code view
20130919 13:35:24 <xranby> Oracle still claim its fully opensource that it clearly is not
20130919 13:35:24 <xranby> especially because of 1. it list files pushed by oracle to openjfx using a non free license
20130919 13:36:26 <monsieur_max> gosh ...
20130919 13:49:17 <xranby> and as usual.. the plugin code is closed source making deployment problematic
20130919 13:50:37 <xranby> IMHO, they should make it modular thus allow you to deploy javafx with your application instead of shipping it with the jre
20130919 13:51:20 <xranby> its possibly we need to save all javafx people in the future and make a modular version similar to how hharrison and gouessej made java3d modular
20130919 13:51:50 <xranby> especially since support for javafx will likely end
20130919 13:52:15 <xranby> similar to the death of javafx 1.2 by oracle
20130919 13:53:39 <xranby> (1.2 the version that had native mobile support using jogl before the "new" javafx 2.* without mobile support)
20130919 13:54:41 <xranby> "On mobile, JavaFX Mobile 1.x is capable of running on multiple mobile operating systems, including Symbian OS, Windows Mobile, and proprietary real-time operating systems."
20130919 13:55:41 <xranby> the 1.x like got silently killed by oracle without upgrade path after 2010
20130919 14:01:24 <monsieur_max> yeah, a shame and probably had a big negative impact on this technology
20130919 14:02:38 <xranby> IMHO people get frustrated that they are forced to upgrade or loose all support and backward compatibility as soon as oracle implements a new idea
20130919 14:06:35 <xranby> today new RIA guidelines got published, and in combination with the latest oracle jre release killed all 15y+ unsigned applets online. http://t.co/0aRkXLoZYz - JDK 7u40 and JavaFX 2.2.40 Documentation Updates http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/technotes/guides/jweb/deployment_flow.html http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/deployment/doingMoreWithRIA/devGuidelines.html
20130919 14:06:55 <xranby> thus the unsigned sandboxed applet model is killed
20130919 14:07:10 <xranby> all the glory for flash
20130919 14:08:20 <xranby> CA authoritys will be pleased, all apps needs signing
20130919 14:08:56 <xranby> NSA will also be pleased since all apps will report in when they are run asking for certificate revoke on launch
20130919 14:11:06 <xranby> fixing a security breach with a signed applet will be a nightmare, because the publisher then 1. revoke its old certificate to stop the old app to be used 2. fix the bug while all its apps are down 3. get a new certificate 4. sign and deploy all apps again 5. handle customer complaints needs to get a new certificate
20130919 14:11:37 <xranby> which IMHO is madness
20130919 14:39:11 * monsieur_max could not agree more
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20130919 14:44:15 <xranby> alexkasko: welcome
20130919 14:45:00 <xranby> I introduced alexkasko to the jogamp project inside #OpenJDK
20130919 14:45:22 <alexkasko> xranby: thanks, reading wiki now
20130919 14:45:46 <xranby> backlog from #OpenJDK
20130919 14:45:46 <xranby> (16:15:11) xranby: alexkasko: hi, thank you for all good work on deployment!
20130919 14:45:46 <xranby> alambert alexkasko
20130919 14:45:46 <xranby> (16:16:46) xranby: alexkasko: we have discussed your build and deployment approach inside the jogamp ji gong project hope that we may collaborate
20130919 14:45:46 <xranby> alambert alexkasko
20130919 14:45:46 <xranby> (16:17:22) xranby: alexkasko: jogamp aims to build and deploy openjdk on both desktop and mobile systems
20130919 14:45:47 <xranby> alambert alexkasko
20130919 14:45:47 <xranby> (16:17:55) xranby: alexkasko: for desktop we aim to build binarys for windows, macosx, linux and solaris using free software toolchains
20130919 14:45:48 <xranby> (16:18:26) xranby: kudos for your work to enable windows and macosx builds of icedtea using the standard toolchains
20130919 14:45:48 <xranby> (16:21:09) xranby: for mobile we aim to build and deploy openjdk for use on android, ios, mer/sailfishos, ubuntu phone..
20130919 14:45:49 <xranby> (16:21:38) xranby: using the build servers that jogamp currently use to build JOGL for all said platforms
20130919 14:45:49 <xranby> (16:38:21) omajid_away är nu känd som omajid
20130919 14:49:26 <xranby> alexkasko maintains the openjdk-unofficial-builds deployment project based on icedtea https://github.com/alexkasko/openjdk-unofficial-builds for windows, linux and macosx
20130919 14:51:42 <xranby> sgothel runs the jogamp build server https://jogamp.org/chuck/ where we aim to produce the ji gong builds
20130919 14:52:00 <sgothel> good 'morning' Xerxes - yes, it comes to no surprise that JFX is not a bliss :)
20130919 14:57:56 <xranby> alexkasko: do you use jenkins for your automated openjdk builds?
20130919 15:00:08 <alexkasko> xranby: no, I'm not, I'm using preinstalled SSH servers (instead of jenkins agents) to communicate with build machines. And a bash scripts to prepare and run the build. I looked at jenkins, but decided to use hand-written scripts instead
20130919 15:01:54 <xranby> alexkasko: ok, so the first thing to test is how well the current bash scripts work to build openjdk using free software toolchains
20130919 15:02:08 <xranby> especially on windows and macosx
20130919 15:02:55 <alexkasko> xranby: I've read some wiki (not sure that I fully undertsand all the legal implications and other non technical stuff about OpenJDK). And the practical part of the ji gong - is the build farm for IcedTea for many platforms?
20130919 15:03:51 <xranby> the IcedTea build farm currently only build and test source check-ins on linux for various architectures
20130919 15:04:11 <alexkasko> xranby: I'll elaborate on the tool chain, some questions first
20130919 15:04:17 <xranby> mjw runs the icedtea buildserver, i contribute arm and x86 32 bit build slaves there
20130919 15:04:43 <xranby> but we dont produce builds using the icedtea buildserver for consume by end users
20130919 15:04:55 <xranby> only source tarballs
20130919 15:05:10 <xranby> like the one you use to do your builds
20130919 15:05:32 <alexkasko> xranby: so some builds done on the server and others are on the users machines (build slaves)?
20130919 15:05:48 <alexkasko> xranby: or server just coordinate builds here?
20130919 15:05:51 <xranby> instead icedtea rely on distributions like debian, ubuntu, fedora and rhel to do the actual builds
20130919 15:06:49 <xranby> jogamp is different, the goals of jogamp is to prepare builds for deployment on the os of choice
20130919 15:07:18 <xranby> jogamp track record is to provide opengl bindings using the jogl project for all platforms we support
20130919 15:08:01 <xranby> now with unavailable of a jvm on some platforms the need to provide builds of openjdk itself become apparent
20130919 15:08:42 <xranby> and that is what the jogamp ji gong project aims to solve
20130919 15:09:13 <alexkasko> xranby: so besides the distributions itself, the goal is to have cross-platform api for multimedia applications (with sound and opengl)?
20130919 15:09:20 <xranby> yes!
20130919 15:09:41 <xranby> we also use opencl, openal, openmax
20130919 15:10:06 <xranby> and hardware decoders
20130919 15:11:47 <xranby> thus jogamp is the community who now maintains jogl, joal, jocl, gluegen and java3d
20130919 15:12:30 <alexkasko> xranby: and with icedtea's web start (that is pure java) it all may be used on any platform (with some script wrapers for ws)
20130919 15:13:04 <xranby> yes, the aim then is to create a new plugin without AWT (because AWT do not work on mobile)
20130919 15:13:17 <xranby> and use opengl for graphics
20130919 15:13:34 <alexkasko> xranby: i think I understand :) so about toolchains and builds
20130919 15:14:37 <xranby> for windows we use the mingw toolchain
20130919 15:14:49 <xranby> for macosx we use clang
20130919 15:15:22 <alexkasko> xranby: is it important to have a completely free toolchain here?
20130919 15:16:07 <xranby> we value it since it allows us to know what went into the generated binarys
20130919 15:17:03 <xranby> sgothel is the one who have prepared the jogamp toolchains
20130919 15:17:30 <alexkasko> xranby: on macosx openjdk7 uses gcc, so it's free. But on windows microsoft compilers are used (and some MS libraries linked)
20130919 15:18:58 <sgothel> Hi 'alexkasko' ..
20130919 15:18:58 <alexkasko> xranby: MS compilers for jdk7 are free as in free beer, but closed of course
20130919 15:18:58 <alexkasko> sgohtel: hi
20130919 15:18:58 <sgothel> another reason not to use MS compilers, was that they were not even compatible w/ diff versions of their product line :)
20130919 15:19:06 <sgothel> so I stopped maintaining our source code for them ..
20130919 15:19:20 <sgothel> lately I added clang support to our toolchain, which was pretty simple
20130919 15:21:18 <alexkasko> I cannot say anything good about ms compilers besides that openjdk on windows is prepared for them and for them only. VS2010 is used for jdk7 and 8
20130919 15:21:35 <sgothel> yes it would be awesome to have some help available to setup and maintain builds of Ji Gong .. at least to chat - best taking over the whole job :)
20130919 15:22:08 <sgothel> I guess last MS version was .. err 2005 or so .. I tried
20130919 15:22:28 <sgothel> and I see no reason/benefit using their product here .. well
20130919 15:24:02 <xranby> alexkasko: thank you again for joining the discussion
20130919 15:24:13 <xranby> need to leave office now
20130919 15:24:23 <xranby> maybe connecting later and read backlogs
20130919 15:24:51 <alexkasko> xranby: you are welcome, I'll write some info here
20130919 15:25:47 <xranby> thanks, hopefully gnu_andrew in #openjdk will release icedtea 2.4.2 later today
20130919 15:26:16 <alexkasko> sgothel: am I understand right, that to minimize binary compatibility problems compilers for openjdk itself and for jogl and other libraries must be the same for the specified platform?
20130919 15:26:18 <xranby> i have not heard anything why the release is delayed
20130919 15:28:42 <sgothel> no .. sure the native libs should be all compatible regardless of the compiler
20130919 15:29:10 <sgothel> it's more a build setup and source compatibility issue to support 'some' toolchains
20130919 15:29:39 <sgothel> and ofc .. it's also a philosophy thing .. i.e. at least we should support free tools first!
20130919 15:34:04 <alexkasko> I think I understand the idea now, I'll write the points in some minutes (about macosx and windows builds of openjdk)
20130919 15:38:39 <alexkasko> 1) It's unrealistical to use any compiler except one oracle uses for that platform, http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk7/build/raw-file/tip/README-builds.html#MBE , http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/jdk8-dev/2013-September/003159.html , It may work, but support for different compiler will require a lot of work
20130919 15:41:58 <alexkasko> 2) iced tea builds on macosx almost works the same as on linux (minor problems with patches remains - http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/distro-pkg-dev/2013-August/024376.html). GCC is used for jdk7 on mac for hostspot, but Xcode is required for mac specific JDK code. So the toolchain is not free. Besides that, I use virtualbox images of mac for my builds and it is illegal to use such images on non-apple hardware (so linux build server can
20130919 15:45:29 <sgothel> so .. the windows (not shared) native code may cause 'some' problems .. hmm
20130919 15:45:56 <sgothel> Q: would patches in this regard be accepted ?
20130919 15:47:13 <alexkasko> 3) on windows for jdk7 and jdk8 microsoft toolchain may be used in standalone mode - no installation required. Preparation of such a toolchain is not simple (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13571628/compiling-c-code-using-windows-sdk-7-1-without-net-framework-4-0), but the results are great - unified i586 and amd64 toolchain may be copied to the clean windows instance and run immediately without installation. It's freeware (registration req
20130919 15:47:44 <sgothel> well .. for sure, I would tackle using mingw64
20130919 15:48:24 <sgothel> I couldn't sleep well using a proprietary compiler for a free project
20130919 15:48:47 <alexkasko> I'll answer, some more points first
20130919 15:53:52 <alexkasko> 4) If build server in this project is capable for running virtualbox and has 3+ gigs of RAM I can setup windows and macosx builds. Licenses for windows xp, windows 2003x64 and for macosx lion (all that for jdk7) may be required though for (almost) legal use of such buildfarm. I cannot run build slave on my own machine - currently have only 4 gigs and builds need 2+ gigs and take 2+ hours each. If someone want to set up build slave on his own m
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20130919 15:57:38 <hharrison> sgothel: plans after fixing bug 835...perhaps a 2.0.3 release?
20130919 15:59:18 <alexkasko> about mac osx patches - my patches were accepted into icedtea. But I build icedtea not the same way it usually builded on linux - I ran configure, obtain patched openjdk sources and build them as usual openjdk release. So builds work on windows where it's very hard to setup 'configure' properly. On mac os x standard icedtea builds almost work - some minor problems remains - http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/distro-pkg-dev/2013-August/0244
20130919 16:02:40 <alexkasko> about toolchain on windows - I agree with you, mingw is sweet and it's uncommon to have proper c99 support on windows, I used it for https://github.com/alexkasko/jar-launcher on windows
20130919 16:02:40 <alexkasko> But no much choice is given here for openjdk. BTW the biggest OSS projects use MS compilers on windows, postgres and python to name some
20130919 16:05:26 <alexkasko> thats all my points :), If questions about icedtea builds arise - I'm ready to help, pleas ping me on email alex.kasko.lists at gmail.com if I won't be online in IRC
20130919 16:11:24 <rmk0> not sure if these are known about: http://tdm-gcc.tdragon.net
20130919 16:11:41 <rmk0> i used to use those to compile ada programs on windows, as they're typically much more up-to-date than the mingw builds
20130919 16:27:40 <sgothel> @Harvey: it will be 2.1.0 due to API changes ..
20130919 16:28:22 <hharrison> What API changed?
20130919 16:28:24 <sgothel> validating a regression to GLStateTracker .. 83d3a3f2ea8dc328e621b3abbe671f46379c7e65 : seems to cause it be disabled at all times
20130919 16:28:41 <sgothel> minor GL API changes, GLMediaPlayer (but that would not be 'it')
20130919 16:29:10 <sgothel> have to see .. GL / GLContext .. some change was there ..
20130919 16:29:43 <sgothel> if we assume this to be negligible .. we can call it 2.0.3
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20130919 16:31:25 <sgothel> Thank you Alex!
20130919 16:31:43 <hharrison> Or just cherry-pick the build fix on top of 2.0.2, call it 2.0.3, and then move on to 2.1.0 with the API changes
20130919 16:32:01 <sgothel> the API change is very minor
20130919 16:32:22 <sgothel> and me not backporting .. no time
20130919 16:32:29 <hharrison> I'm not super concerned either way
20130919 16:32:48 <rmk0> if nobody else cares, please call it 2.1.0
20130919 16:33:12 <rmk0> API changes are supposed to be reflected in the version number, no matter how minor they appear
20130919 16:33:15 <sgothel> have to validate that GLStateTracker thingy .. which jumped in my face .. since I wanted to add 'active texture' state .. hmm
20130919 16:33:22 <sgothel> yes sir!
20130919 16:33:23 <hharrison> Yeah, way fewer surprises that way, makes for good discipline if we know there's api changes
20130919 16:33:33 <sgothel> :)
20130919 16:33:51 <rmk0> \o/
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20130919 20:57:17 <sgothel> @Xerxes: if we encounter issue w/ mingw .. can we offer resulting openjdk8 patched to icedtea ? i.e. use icedtea's patch set ?
20130919 20:57:57 <sgothel> so we always use icedtea as a 'filter' .. for all builds .. hmm, I would prefer that
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20130920 07:18:24 <xranby> 22:57:22) sgothel: @Xerxes: if we encounter issue w/ mingw .. can we offer resulting openjdk8 patched to icedtea ? i.e. use icedtea's patch set ? <-- yes, icedtea accept patches without signing a contributor license agreement
20130920 07:20:05 <xranby> http://icedtea.classpath.org/hg/ <- icedtea got icedtea8-forest/* matching upstream openjdk 8 + icedtea patches where the patches can be applied
20130920 07:21:17 <xranby> right now this forest is a bit behind because we have not yet released an icedtea version building openjdk 8
20130920 07:21:43 <xranby> the latest icedtea release uses openjdk 7
20130920 07:21:51 <xranby> matching the latest oracle release
20130920 07:24:22 <xranby> example: the diff between icedtea forest and openjdk is tracked on the classpath wiki like this: http://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/IcedTea7_Forest_Patches http://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/IcedTea_Patches_for_OpenJDK_8
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20130920 09:43:31 <xranby> http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/british-spy-agency-gchq-hacked-belgian-telecoms-firm-a-923406.html
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20130920 12:55:36 <xranby> alexkasko: Your maxosx fix got merged, and pushed into the icedtea openjdk 7 forest yesterday: http://icedtea.classpath.org/hg/icedtea7-forest/jdk?cmd=changeset;node=0421864fd399
20130920 12:58:40 <alexkasko> xranby: great, less custom patches - less problems
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20130920 15:09:51 <xranby> alexkasko: the fix got merged into the 2.4 release branch as well http://icedtea.classpath.org/hg/release/icedtea7-forest-2.4/jdk/rev/b2611b1a750c release is now imminent
20130920 15:13:53 <alexkasko> xranby: good to now, but I still cannot test (check installer labels etc) 7u40 openjdk release I build this week :) . I think I'll publish installers of 7u40 and 2.4.2 simultaneously next week.
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20130920 18:03:27 <sgothel> @Mark: isn't that email just a bounce ?
20130920 18:03:41 <sgothel> i.e. I got ..
20130920 18:04:00 <sgothel> Sep 15 18:57:48 jogamp sm-mta[25787]: r8FGvj7c025787: from=<eke@lfuk.com>, size=28975, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<A0951EB6B2894FD8258FC3AB9226EF87@lfuk.com>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA-v4, relay=113.56.arpa.hb.cnc.cn [113.56.250.224] (may be forged)
20130920 18:04:00 <sgothel> Sep 15 18:57:52 jogamp sm-mta[25790]: r8FGvj7c025787: to=wwalker3@austin.rr.com, delay=00:00:06, xdelay=00:00:03, mailer=esmtp, pri=209192, relay=hrndva-smtpin01.mail.rr.com. [71.74.56.243], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (OK 7B/B2-07730-017E5325)
20130920 18:04:05 <sgothel> things like that ..
20130920 18:04:25 <rmk0> hm, i didn't get any of that
20130920 18:04:37 <sgothel> the mail.log :)
20130920 18:04:41 <rmk0> if you think it's fine, then no worries...
20130920 18:04:50 <rmk0> i was nervous because it looked like it'd originated on the server
20130920 18:05:08 <sgothel> it's annoying .. but what can you do other than having bogofilter filtering your mail ..
20130920 18:05:33 <sgothel> I use bogofilter for my email .. I could install it for all jogamp users .. w/ my filter setup .. hmm
20130920 18:05:51 <rmk0> it's the first one i've seen there, mostly the junk just comes from the jenkins address
20130920 18:06:08 <rmk0> lots of asian spam
20130920 18:06:09 <sgothel> Sep 15 19:24:37 jogamp sm-mta[29446]: r8FGvw7c025790: to=<eke@lfuk.com>, delay=00:26:39, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=300000, relay=., dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with .
20130920 18:06:09 <sgothel> Sep 15 19:34:37 jogamp sm-mta[30888]: r8FGvw7c025790: to=<eke@lfuk.com>, delay=00:36:39, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=390000, relay=., dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with .
20130920 18:06:09 <sgothel> Sep 15 19:44:37 jogamp sm-mta[32385]: r8FGvw7c025790: to=<eke@lfuk.com>, delay=00:46:39, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=480000, relay=., dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with .
20130920 18:06:28 <sgothel> this is funny .. since I don't see why it has been sent ..
20130920 18:06:43 <sgothel> could be the bounced email
20130920 18:07:01 <sgothel> we don't cache the emails :)
20130920 18:08:22 <sgothel> queues are empty .. so no 'hard attack' on use (yet)
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20130920 18:45:18 <petrs> hi
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20130920 18:50:17 <petrs> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18921020/opengl-isometric-projection-clipping
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20130920 19:52:08 <petrs> *fixed*
20130920 20:08:53 <monsieur_max> petrs: congratulations and nice to share your own solution
20130920 20:17:19 <sgothel> @Petrs: So you effectively flip the N and F plane ? hmm
20130920 20:19:23 <sgothel> @all: pushed zfs backup scripts .. performing backups of zfs snapshots jogamp.org <-> jausoft.com ..
20130920 20:20:09 <sgothel> both are on same SP but diff. data centers
20130920 20:20:55 <rmk0> ♥ snapshots
20130920 20:21:23 <sgothel> script is pushed to jogamp-scripting/backup
20130920 20:28:21 <petrs> sgothel: yes
20130920 20:32:01 <petrs> but what was strange clipping didnt work w/ lines only...
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20130921 02:01:26 <xranby-64> Reported on Twitter: @gnu_andrew_java 2.4.2 is on the servers, but y'all have to wait until tomorrow for the formal announcement.
20130921 02:01:44 <xranby-64> #openjdk #java
20130921 02:15:47 <xranby-64> http://www.infoq.com/news/2013/09/java-hsail - HSA Foundation Targeting Heterogeneous GPU-CPU Execution for Java Virtual Machines by 2015
20130921 02:28:15 <xranby-64> http://icedtea.wildebeest.org/download/source/icedtea-2.4.2.tar.gz
20130921 02:30:17 <sgothel> KUDOS to Andrew, you and the others!!
20130921 02:30:58 <sgothel> Andrew who is now maintaining openjdk6 for Red Hat .. who I met in Brussels ?
20130921 02:32:26 <sgothel> ah ja ..
20130921 02:32:39 <xranby-64> they are all names Andrew at redhat :)
20130921 02:32:42 <xranby-64> named
20130921 02:32:59 <sgothel> indeed .. an Andrew inflation :)
20130921 02:34:33 <xranby-64> in the OpenJDK team we have Andrew Haley, Andrea Hughes, Andrew Dinn and Andrew Overholt
20130921 02:34:47 <sgothel> .. and I met who ?
20130921 02:34:55 <xranby-64> you met Andrew Haley
20130921 02:35:23 <sgothel> ah .. the English dude w/ his lady .. yup
20130921 02:35:36 <xranby-64> Andrea Hughes and Andrew Dinn was in the audience at fosdem watching our talk:)
20130921 02:35:48 <xranby-64> Andrew Hughes
20130921 02:36:09 <xranby-64> Andrew Hughes is the IcedTea release manager
20130921 02:36:29 <sgothel> http://icedtea.classpath.org/hg/release/icedtea7-2.4/ <- so the 'clean crypto' stuff is included if building from this one 'eh ? nice
20130921 02:36:31 <xranby-64> who makes the formal icedtea announcements and runs the http://blog.fuseyism.com/ blog
20130921 02:36:43 <xranby-64> yes clean crypto is included in this one
20130921 02:37:45 <xranby-64> this commit to be exact http://icedtea.classpath.org/hg/release/icedtea7-forest-2.4/jdk/rev/39d4113a023c
20130921 02:38:42 <sgothel> yup saw that a few days ago
20130921 02:39:06 <sgothel> eclipse 4.3 seems to work .. good
20130921 02:39:29 <xranby-64> sgothel: like you see here, icedtea keeps a copy of all the openjdk hg source trees
20130921 02:39:42 <sgothel> thunderbird 24.0 .. troubles to convince it to take self signed certs :/ .. working now
20130921 02:39:54 <sgothel> that is great
20130921 02:40:12 <xranby-64> and allows people who have not signed source code contribution or managed to get oracle to accept their patches to have their work landed in icedtea
20130921 02:40:40 <sgothel> .. and Andrew Huges .. is a free man ? :) .. Or .. where is icedtea stuff and staff associated w/ ? AFAIK RedHat right ?
20130921 02:41:09 <sgothel> I know .. but then hard to get it from icedtea -> openjdk ? no ?
20130921 02:41:19 <xranby-64> http://fuseyism.com/ - Welcome to GNU/Andrew's Freedom Fantasia
20130921 02:41:31 <sgothel> i.e. if we have upcoming gcc patches for the Windows stuff
20130921 02:42:11 <xranby-64> icedtea is run as a non existing organisation, quite similar to jogamp
20130921 02:42:30 <xranby-64> hosted on mjw's servers in holland
20130921 02:42:31 <sgothel> sounds great ..
20130921 02:42:49 <sgothel> so how will it work .. i.e. Windows/gcc patches ..
20130921 02:43:29 <sgothel> assuming an openjdk8 icedtea branch is no big deal ..
20130921 02:44:28 <sgothel> yeah .. no rush, will be done later anyways :)
20130921 02:47:04 <xranby-64> there exist an openjdk 8 branch on the icedtea server, updated from time to time, it will possibly get updated to match openjdk 8 and recieve more frequent updates when the icedtea team feels ready to do the first icedtea 3.x release
20130921 02:47:43 <sgothel> sounds great
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