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20131010 08:53:40 <masterzen> do you guys have your own maven repository with the latest jogl versions available?
20131010 09:03:39 <xranby> masterzen: yes! http://jogamp.org/deployment/maven/
20131010 09:04:30 <xranby> masterzen: for example http://jogamp.org/deployment/maven/org/jogamp/jogl/jogl-all-main/ you can access preview builds of 2.1.0 there
20131010 09:04:50 <masterzen> xranby: very cool! Thanks!
20131010 09:23:36 <monsieur_max> nice :)
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20131010 09:43:36 <xranby> https://jogamp.org/wiki/index.php/Maven
20131010 10:00:45 <masterzen> xranby: in fact I completely forgot that we were already using it :)
20131010 10:04:01 <masterzen> sgothel: I've opened too bugzilla tickets for you to look at: https://jogamp.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=853 and https://jogamp.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=851
20131010 10:04:56 <monsieur_max> ohhh ticket to ride <3
20131010 10:21:07 <xranby> "Intel Atom Z2560 with an x86 instruction set *and* support for ARMv7" interesting :)
20131010 10:21:37 <xranby> masterzen: what do cat /proc/cpuinfo return on this device?
20131010 10:27:13 <xranby> i belive we have to build x86 natives for gluegen and jogl in order to support this device
20131010 10:27:56 <xranby> sgothel: i belive a new x86 android build/test node needs to get added to jenkins ^
20131010 10:35:39 <xranby> Samsung will surely make Intel mainstream in the mobile space by shipping their CPU in the Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10.1 .. too bad that the Intel Z2560 still use the PowerVR GPU instead of intels own mobile GPU technology with foss drivers...
20131010 10:35:59 <xranby> All in all... impressed flanking move by intel to establish itself on the android market!
20131010 10:51:24 <masterzen> xranby: /proc/cpuinfo returns the same thing as an x86 32bits proc with no mention of arm. I'll post it to the bug report.
20131010 10:52:29 <masterzen> xranby: I'd prefer to have gluegen find that it supports arm, instead of shipping an x86 versions of all our native libs, this would simplify greatly our lives. Of course I understand you might want to have an android x86 build.
20131010 10:55:58 <xranby> this will be the first time Android users will have to face an native ABI switch.. the whole android ecosystem will have to address this move
20131010 10:57:30 <xranby> i had expected the ABI battle to be against ARM 32bit vs ARM 64bit.. but now it will be ARM 32bit vs Intel 64bit !
20131010 10:57:48 <xranby> because this Intel Z2560 support both 32bit and 64bit mode
20131010 10:57:54 <xranby> good move by intel!
20131010 10:58:08 <xranby> the end user confuction will be total
20131010 10:58:13 <xranby> confusion
20131010 10:59:23 <xranby> if intel establish 64bit android now on x86 tech will destroy the next years ARM v8 64 bit introduction
20131010 11:00:42 <xranby> personally.. i am happy as long as i get foss drivers for the chip who win
20131010 11:12:53 <xranby> http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2012/11/12/how-to-publish-your-apps-on-google-play-for-x86-based-android-devices-using
20131010 11:13:03 <xranby> http://developer.android.com/google/play/publishing/multiple-apks.html
20131010 11:13:36 <xranby> looks like Google have done their part to bless the new Samsung & Intel Android wedding
20131010 11:18:16 <xranby> http://developer.android.com/google/play/publishing/multiple-apks.html#CpuArchOptions
20131010 11:35:33 <sgothel> .. we had one Intel dev here in the chat .. 1-2 years ago ? .. and we changed our build process to support intel on android
20131010 11:37:54 <sgothel> either we stuff all arch's in the APK .. or multiple APKs (less download time)
20131010 11:38:56 <sgothel> Bug 851 / 821 fixed
20131010 11:41:24 <sgothel> I guess we can call this 2.1.0 now ..
20131010 11:43:42 <monsieur_max> sgothel: :P and about #850 ? https://jogamp.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=850
20131010 11:44:23 <sgothel> sure .. a big fix .. there is life after 2.1.0 :)
20131010 11:44:38 <sgothel> so I have tested w/ 64bit only on windows .. w/ ffmpeg - working
20131010 11:44:44 <sgothel> you did 32bit tests .. hmm
20131010 11:44:52 <sgothel> will do .. dunno whats wrong w/ it
20131010 11:45:31 <sgothel> my tests are even visible in the jogl/make/tests-x64.bat
20131010 11:45:43 <sgothel> set FFMPEG_LIB=C:\ffmpeg_libav\lavc55_lavf55_lavu52-ffmpeg\x64 .. etc
20131010 11:46:05 <sgothel> have to check whats wrong w/ it later
20131010 11:46:28 <sgothel> again: java7_64bit and ffmpeg_64bit works here very well
20131010 11:47:31 <monsieur_max> sgothel: well the issue is with java 32 bit , ffmpeg 32 i guess, i'm gonna test with a 64 bit setting
20131010 11:49:27 <sgothel> yup .. added comment .. will do the same for 32bit later
20131010 11:49:50 <sgothel> thx - important that we both check the other version!
20131010 11:51:06 <sgothel> Intel 64bit w/ HD[45]000 GPU .. on mobile .. with Mesa drivers well, why not :)
20131010 11:56:52 <xranby> sgothel: did MichaelEGR hand you a ODROID-XU Android development board?
20131010 11:57:36 <sgothel> lol
20131010 11:57:43 <sgothel> no - I ordered one myself ..
20131010 11:58:00 <sgothel> and then - troubles w/ German customs .. still waiting for the device
20131010 11:58:19 <sgothel> and since I was very busy w/ OSX/printing etc .. I had to pause this attempt
20131010 11:58:49 <sgothel> now I see the almost desperate email in forum .. well, I hope I can at least work for JOCL on Android
20131010 11:59:08 <sgothel> FedEx called me .. will took a few days maybe from today .. dunno
20131010 11:59:58 <sgothel> Reason why 2.1.0 release is fine now: API changes are all in .. further bugfixes happen as we go .. and new sub-minor releases ofc
20131010 12:00:14 <xranby> sounds good!
20131010 12:00:29 <sgothel> you got that board ?
20131010 12:00:39 <xranby> nope.. but at least i now know which android device to order
20131010 12:00:58 <xranby> i would like some hints to which seller to use
20131010 12:00:59 <sgothel> :)
20131010 12:01:07 <sgothel> HARDKERNEL
20131010 12:01:37 <sgothel> http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G137463363079
20131010 12:01:46 <sgothel> http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G137454882497
20131010 12:01:50 <xranby> ok i can try.. and see if the customs are better here in sweden :)
20131010 12:02:39 <sgothel> .. a new rule here .. filing some EORI number
20131010 12:02:56 <sgothel> dunno if it's EU wide .. for some 'other countries'
20131010 12:03:14 <sgothel> company is in South Korea
20131010 12:03:23 <xranby> here in sweden UPS usually collects import tax at the door
20131010 12:04:02 <sgothel> here as well .. but this is new and diff .. i.e. Government wants to track all import/export .. 'great'
20131010 12:04:42 <xranby> like put the import tax money in this brown envelope, you will not get any change, and then i may give you your parcel.. or else we take the parcel back to the customs and they will destroy it
20131010 12:04:50 <sgothel> Total : $278.00 (ODROID-XU+E + eMMC 16GB)
20131010 12:05:24 <sgothel> hehe
20131010 12:05:51 <xranby> and then they add.. oh btw, do it qucik.. i am in a hurry
20131010 12:16:11 <monsieur_max> sgothel: just tested in a 64bit configuration, and got the same issue
20131010 12:16:30 <monsieur_max> i'm adding the log to the jira case
20131010 12:16:35 <monsieur_max> ... bugzilla, sorry
20131010 12:17:20 <sgothel> ah ..
20131010 12:17:31 <sgothel> so that is interesting ..
20131010 12:18:03 <xranby> ok i have posted the following response to the JOCL user: http://forum.jogamp.org/JOCL-on-the-ODROID-XU-Android-tp4030220p4030223.html
20131010 12:18:04 <sgothel> pls be add the correct 64bit download link .. so we are sure that I will re-test w/ same
20131010 12:22:06 <monsieur_max> sgothel: ok, will add the info
20131010 12:23:27 <sgothel> https://jogamp.org/wiki/index.php/SW_Tracking_Report_Objectives_for_the_release_2.1.0
20131010 12:23:34 <sgothel> https://jogamp.org/wiki/index.php/SW_Tracking_Report_Objectives_for_the_release_2.2.0
20131010 12:23:59 <sgothel> closed 2.1.0 .. opened 2.2.0 and swapped open stuff ..
20131010 12:24:53 <xranby> sgothel: how about 2.1.1 ? as long as we dont add any api change...
20131010 12:27:30 <sgothel> sure .. but don't think we need to mention them in a separate wiki page .. cumulating in 2.2.0 page (sure .. we can make a copy then)
20131010 12:27:51 <sgothel> i.e. when we do 2.1.1 .. we can copy current 2.2.0 page w/ solved bugs ..
20131010 12:28:04 <sgothel> but not really a 'roadmap' more a status
20131010 12:28:16 <sgothel> 'snapshot' .. good point
20131010 12:28:33 <sgothel> (while editing the next big version ..)
20131010 12:29:46 <sgothel> jogl build #1111 .. haha
20131010 12:31:37 <xranby> masterzen: https://jogamp.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=851 is really odd... are all jogamp android test applets broken on this device? which device did you test on?
20131010 12:34:58 <masterzen> xranby: it's on nexus 7, nexus 4, kindle fire hd, and several others. It's pretty consistent in fact :)
20131010 12:35:14 <sgothel> https://jogamp.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=851#c3 <- discuss on Bug ..
20131010 12:35:34 <sgothel> hmm
20131010 12:36:09 <xranby> i wonder what we then used at siggraph?!
20131010 12:37:10 <masterzen> sgothel: ticket updated
20131010 12:38:32 <sgothel> will test our demos w/ 2.1.0 on the HD 7" .. which I have not updated yet ..
20131010 12:39:21 <sgothel> if a specific android version is affected .. maybe add detailed android version of the devices .. iff that is an issue, but will add my results in a bit
20131010 12:39:36 <sgothel> just in time to get fixed for 2.1.0 :)
20131010 12:40:05 <xranby> is there a way to list all jogamp apk files installed on the device?
20131010 12:40:35 <xranby> installing the apk that provide GLDrawableFactory may.. fix it?
20131010 12:41:16 <sgothel> not having it for GL2 is good there :)
20131010 12:48:14 <sgothel> the 'dual' ABI is interesting (Bug 853) .. even though we shall support x86 natively here AFAIK if possible
20131010 12:53:08 <masterzen> ticket 851 updated. for short: none of our device run with jogl 2.1.0-rc or the 2.0.2 release :)
20131010 12:53:44 <masterzen> sgothel: regarding bug 853, I'm going to check with yann to see how we can send you a device
20131010 12:56:51 <sgothel> .. and maybe one for Xerxes .. if possible
20131010 12:56:57 <sgothel> thx
20131010 12:59:12 <sgothel> 851: 'jogl tests' works here .. as expected :/
20131010 13:03:11 <xranby> is there a way to check if parts of an old apk is still deployed on the device?
20131010 13:08:52 <sgothel> only by the installed apk ..
20131010 13:09:14 <sgothel> but DOW uses a custom APK, i.e. they bundle the JAR files .. to one APK AFAIK
20131010 13:09:42 <sgothel> @Brice: My About.Update_Your_Kindle.. is grayed out .. i.e. no update ?
20131010 13:09:53 <sgothel> i.e. https://jogamp.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=851#c8
20131010 13:11:07 <sgothel> trying Nexus 10 w/ 4.2.2 (was working as well)
20131010 13:13:17 <masterzen> yes we package jogl itself in our own apk
20131010 13:13:29 <masterzen> ok, so it works for you.
20131010 13:13:37 <sgothel> yup .. all working .. attaching to bug 851
20131010 13:13:53 <sgothel> (not the kindle update though ..)
20131010 13:14:07 <sgothel> but I assume it must have something todo w/ packaging .. jar loader ? dunno)
20131010 13:14:23 <masterzen> I'm wondering if proguard is not the cause, let me check
20131010 13:19:19 <sgothel> (02:40:35 PM) xranby: installing the apk that provide GLDrawableFactory may.. fix it? <- I guess Xerxes might be right here .. i.e. class not found ? Pls verify w/ working log files !!
20131010 13:20:00 <sgothel> ofc .. the message that no GL2 GLDrawableFactory is avail is OK, but it shall continue w/ EGL .. which I didn't see in your logs
20131010 13:22:15 <masterzen> I'm pretty sure proguard stripped part of the jogl code and I didn't notice it :(
20131010 13:22:17 <masterzen> I'm rebuilding
20131010 13:27:36 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/deployment/archive/master/gluegen_730-joal_487-jogl_1111-jocl_860/
20131010 13:28:09 <sgothel> jogl-2.1-b1111-20131010- :)
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20131010 14:17:13 <masterzen> sgothel: ok, it was proguard that was eating some jogl classes. I'm very sorry for the noise, I'm going to close the ticket #851.
20131010 14:23:15 <monsieur_max> ahhh proguard fun :)
20131010 14:31:50 <masterzen> yep, fun is the right word :(
20131010 14:43:44 <sgothel> forgot to update the javadoc .. redo ..
20131010 15:09:30 <sgothel> https://jogamp.org/bugzilla/showdependencytree.cgi?id=853&hide_resolved=0
20131010 15:12:40 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/deployment/archive/master/gluegen_730-joal_487-jogl_1111-jocl_860/
20131010 15:29:11 <sgothel> Implementation Version: 2.1.0
20131010 15:29:11 <sgothel> Implementation Build: 2.1-b1111-20131010
20131010 15:29:14 <sgothel> released
20131010 15:29:19 <sgothel> ah .. maven ..
20131010 15:36:28 <sgothel> maven 2.1.0 done
20131010 15:36:36 <sgothel> @Mark: Official 2.1.0 ?
20131010 15:37:43 <rmk0> 'lo
20131010 15:37:49 * rmk0 reads up
20131010 15:38:20 <rmk0> ah... want me to push 2.1.0 to central?
20131010 15:38:27 <sgothel> yes please
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20131010 16:03:15 <sgothel> source tagged and ChangeLog / Sources pushed to http://jogamp.org/deployment/v2.1.0/archive/
20131010 16:25:16 <sgothel> https://jogamp.org/wiki/index.php/Release_2.1.0
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20131010 16:37:18 <rmk0> pushed to central, should be visible in a couple of hours
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20131010 17:45:57 <sgothel> @Mark: Thank you - great!
20131010 17:47:00 <rmk0> i should really show you how to do that one day, in case i get hit by a bus
20131010 17:55:00 <rmk0> you already know half, is just getting you an account on sonatype, i suppose
20131010 18:04:26 <sgothel> yup .. and you documented it AFAIK .. hmm
20131010 18:04:46 <sgothel> but I also can get hit by a train .. lets say, a bus won't harm me .. haha :)
20131010 18:05:16 <sgothel> guess we have a problem w/ lack of redundancy .. anyways .. hmm
20131010 18:05:33 <sgothel> at least .. all is documented .. most of it
20131010 18:09:57 <rmk0> the web interface is pretty self explanatory
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20131010 19:42:29 <monsieur_max> :-> https://github.com/WhiteHouse/fortyfour/issues/3
20131010 19:43:06 <sgothel> :)
20131010 19:43:44 <sgothel> reboot w/ new currency ? :)
20131010 19:44:50 <monsieur_max> hehe :) i prefer the https://github.com/WhiteHouse/fortyfour/issues/3#issuecomment-25987670 approach :)
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