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20131014 09:26:46 <xranby> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQ3MTM - The State Of Open-Source ARM GPU Drivers September 27, 2013
20131014 09:34:27 <sgothel> good morning
20131014 09:34:41 <sgothel> cleaning up multiple-pointer gesture detection ..
20131014 09:34:46 <Eclesia> morning
20131014 09:35:28 <sgothel> ARM finally committing to open source drivers ? .. hmm, guess me still dreaming :)
20131014 09:36:06 <sgothel> 3 days left for rating agencies to state reality
20131014 09:36:41 <Eclesia> ?
20131014 09:37:18 <xranby> reverse engineering bears fruit
20131014 09:37:29 <xranby> thus the hackers win, hopefully
20131014 09:37:29 <sgothel> @Xerxes: The first phoronix article w/ deep-linking into phoronix itself ? (i.e. actual URL to projects :)
20131014 09:37:36 <sgothel> 'win' ?
20131014 09:37:49 <xranby> win == opensource drivers become available that work
20131014 09:37:55 <sgothel> I could throw up .. ARM should cooperate .. damn it
20131014 09:38:25 <sgothel> I hope the folks get payed very well .. otherwise it's really ugly
20131014 09:38:42 <sgothel> (making ARM more valuable .. )
20131014 09:39:05 <xranby> (11:36:20) sgothel: 3 days left for rating agencies to state reality <-- yup oct 17 is around the corner
20131014 09:39:28 <sgothel> but I guess .. the market will react maybe sooner ..
20131014 09:39:36 <xranby> 3 days untill people realise their leaders have tossed democracy out the window
20131014 09:40:01 <xranby> (their elected leaders are no longer allowed to vote)
20131014 09:40:05 <sgothel> and it's not really just about raising the debt ceiling .. the general health of the system .. overall
20131014 09:40:28 <sgothel> well .. it's their system .. they could have changed it
20131014 09:40:50 <sgothel> still - POTUS needs to find a compromise .. which he is not
20131014 09:41:04 <sgothel> but - doesn't matter .. doesn't change the fact
20131014 09:41:11 <sgothel> so probably .. the outcome is desired
20131014 09:41:31 <sgothel> (always good to can point fingers :)
20131014 09:42:33 <sgothel> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/11/internet_heavyweights_turn_backs_on_snoopy_us_demand_global_oversight/ <- more economic troubles for US thx to NSA
20131014 09:42:38 <xranby> i am abut to "buy" a house.. and with this cliff aproaching makes me.. question what to do
20131014 09:43:03 <sgothel> we looked into that as well .. couldn't find one :(
20131014 09:43:09 <sgothel> (in 2 weeks)
20131014 09:43:12 <sgothel> damn it
20131014 09:43:55 <sgothel> well, me not a 'money man', more into computer science .. probably not well qualified to profit :)
20131014 09:44:39 <xranby> i have printed my bitcoins to paper.. just in case my computer break
20131014 09:44:42 <sgothel> but yeah, should ask bank to give us the ~2% credit if available :)
20131014 09:44:57 <sgothel> hehe
20131014 09:46:44 <sgothel> German Telekom is also looking into routing traffic around the US/UK if possible (i.e. not necessary)
20131014 09:47:16 <sgothel> traffic == money for backbone infrastructure ..
20131014 09:47:21 <xranby> btw... if someone here uses dlink routers... switch firmware
20131014 09:47:57 <sgothel> don't tell me they copy packages already ? :)
20131014 09:48:10 <xranby> http://www.devttys0.com/2013/10/reverse-engineering-a-d-link-backdoor/
20131014 09:48:51 <sgothel> yeah .. my router/firewall runs on debian .. others are 'behind' it .. considered insecure
20131014 09:49:17 <xranby> in short .. all access to the routers thttpd using the user agent set to xmlset_roodkcableoj28840ybtide gives instant access
20131014 09:49:29 <xranby> spell that backward.. :)
20131014 09:49:40 <sgothel> haha
20131014 09:50:14 <sgothel> all US routers now have the backdoor in officially .. One of Obama's directives .. emergency something ..
20131014 09:50:37 <sgothel> (take over some capacity of w-lan)
20131014 09:51:05 <Eclesia> crazy country ...
20131014 09:51:15 <monsieur_max> Eclesia: +1
20131014 09:51:26 <sgothel> I hope this will teach us to finally stop copying from 'em ..
20131014 09:51:27 <xranby> i wonder who joel is
20131014 09:52:41 <sgothel> But EU gov. still cooperates w/ all this BS, otherwise copying directly from the fiber wouldn't be possible at EU backbones .. etc
20131014 09:53:08 <sgothel> plus also using the 'tools'
20131014 09:53:29 <xranby> all traces points to Alphanetworks who prepared the dlink formware
20131014 09:53:32 <xranby> firmware
20131014 09:53:36 <sgothel> it's like gov vs the people .. where once the people should be the gov :(
20131014 09:54:53 <xranby> thus if you have a non dlink router that got a firmware from Alphanetworks.. think twice
20131014 09:55:24 <sgothel> @Xerxes: All end-user router bullshit .. can never be considered to be secure
20131014 09:55:36 <sgothel> i.e. those all-in-one .. BS
20131014 09:55:56 <sgothel> but then .. those use googlemail etc .. nobody cares of those customers
20131014 09:57:04 <sgothel> if you have an AP - disable the whole router magic, only bridged mode w/o http and access to only cable IP
20131014 09:58:26 <sgothel> plus FW and MAC filtering .. sure, maybe a raw AP driven by GNU/Linux etc ..
20131014 10:08:29 <xranby> sgothel: did you unpack the XODROID?
20131014 10:09:17 <sgothel> not yet .. have to finish WIn8 multi-touch today 1st, then the URI bug - then I can play w/ the toy .. probably TUE/WED
20131014 10:31:32 <sgothel> to properly scale our Multiple Pointer impl. I need to unify all filtering/gesture-detection happing in NEWT
20131014 10:31:55 <sgothel> i.e. synthesized events like click/scroll .. etc
20131014 11:22:09 <xranby> tricky.. combining synthesized events w/ low latency
20131014 11:22:52 <sgothel> only b/c now you get aware of the whole event processing .. but guess whats going on under the hood :)
20131014 11:23:21 <sgothel> plus .. having a proper work-flow w/ a single entry point will allow us to measure perf. and to turn it off .. debug .. etc
20131014 11:23:37 <sgothel> and users can add there 'GestureHandler' ..
20131014 11:24:31 <xranby> o am not virried about overhead... what worries me is syntetic delays.. that is if an event is first generated after key up instead of key down
20131014 11:24:57 <sgothel> ah ..
20131014 11:25:02 <sgothel> ofc not
20131014 11:25:35 <sgothel> it happens when it happens .. almost, even though 'realtime' is a thing of perception or negotiation :)
20131014 11:26:17 <sgothel> i.e. our def. GestureHandler for 1 finger scroll .. (Android .. now on Windows) .. will only consume events when the gesture has been started
20131014 11:26:29 <sgothel> so shall all handlers work ..
20131014 11:26:51 <sgothel> problem w/ Win7 native Gesture handler is .. it consumes them all ..
20131014 11:27:23 <sgothel> so yeah .. it must be proven to be non intrusive
20131014 11:27:29 <sgothel> otherwise -> disable
20131014 11:28:13 <xranby> (13:27:05) sgothel: problem w/ Win7 native Gesture handler is .. it consumes them all .. <--- urgh
20131014 11:28:27 <sgothel> that is the DEFAULT mode btw ..
20131014 11:28:52 <xranby> how do microsoft expect this to be solved?
20131014 11:29:11 <sgothel> you can disable it .. for plain WM_TOUCH events
20131014 11:29:14 <xranby> do they expect people to install drivers that add hooks to the system?
20131014 11:29:17 <sgothel> which we do now ..
20131014 11:29:37 <sgothel> and we process them ourselves .. w/ generic gesture handler .. etc
20131014 11:29:50 <sgothel> i.e. same as w/ Android (currently refactoring it)
20131014 11:29:55 <xranby> ok... as long as we get the raw data
20131014 11:30:01 <sgothel> sure sure ..
20131014 11:30:06 <xranby> and not some filtered subset
20131014 11:30:13 <sgothel> cleaning this up .. will help to enable/disable .. etc see above
20131014 11:30:26 <sgothel> we had the discussion ..
20131014 11:30:52 <sgothel> I will stay w/ the '2 finger scroll gesture' by default, but allow it to be disabled ..
20131014 11:31:01 <sgothel> plus user can add more ..
20131014 11:31:24 <sgothel> we also have the synthetic mouse click .. etc
20131014 11:31:35 <sgothel> actually we could throw that away :)
20131014 11:31:42 <sgothel> like key typed
20131014 12:00:12 <rmk0> 'lo
20131014 12:00:17 <rmk0> sgothel: just got a package from you...
20131014 12:00:22 * rmk0 opens
20131014 12:00:26 <sgothel> ah .. oh ..
20131014 12:01:07 <rmk0> heh, post mark on it from 2013-09-03
20131014 12:02:01 <rmk0> nice, they look pretty good
20131014 12:02:04 <rmk0> thanks!
20131014 12:02:19 <sgothel> great .. very welcome ..
20131014 12:04:05 <sgothel> http://jausoft.com/Files/misc/oil-in-australia.jpg :)
20131014 12:09:41 <sgothel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coober_Pedy#Oil_reserves
20131014 12:10:24 <sgothel> @Mark: this reinstates trust in snail mail .. didn't know the actually use snails :)
20131014 12:12:11 <sgothel> hmm .. thought Aus should export hydrogen .. not enough solar panels ? :)
20131014 12:12:29 <rmk0> hehe
20131014 12:13:07 <sgothel> should have enough .. they .. since now dealing w/ RMB directly w/ China :)
20131014 12:13:37 <sgothel> probably .. they will be found non democratic or something .. hmm :-O
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20131014 23:22:45 <xranby-64> http://developers.slashdot.org/story/13/10/14/2251250/java-spec-compatibility-weakened-androids-tls-encryption
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