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20131120 08:13:06 <eclesia> hi
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20131120 08:40:19 <RS2> Is there a way to re-open bugs on bugzilla that have been marked "Resolved"? The bug in question is #899.
20131120 08:53:40 <xranby> RS2: better is to file a new bug
20131120 08:54:00 <xranby> with a testcase
20131120 08:56:14 <xranby> RS2: can you reproduce the issue using the tests sgothel created to validate this? http://jogamp.org/git/?p=jogl.git;a=commit;h=ce255aba6475c0a7b12f044a8ea700d5184f2b91
20131120 08:57:26 <xranby> that commit added some extra debug info that can be used to check if jogl behave correctly
20131120 08:57:37 <RS2> Yes. The problem is not the WndProc, if that would be 0, the windows would not be created at all.
20131120 08:57:58 <RS2> Something I did not quite grok, in my first analysis.
20131120 08:58:16 <xranby> ok.. then file a new bug containing your new analysis
20131120 08:58:17 <RS2> The problem is that there is no message loop.
20131120 08:58:47 <xranby> its better to let each bugreport tackle one analysis at a time
20131120 08:59:28 <RS2> Ok.
20131120 09:03:23 <xranby> btw.. is the modified source attached to 899 patches againt jogl?
20131120 09:03:52 <xranby> if so then please setup a git repository with a copy of jogl with the patch applied
20131120 09:04:23 <xranby> the easiest way is to clone jogl on github
20131120 09:06:10 <xranby> RS2: if you do that then we may review the changes easier
20131120 09:12:11 <RS2> *sigh*
20131120 09:16:28 <xranby> RS2: and make sure the author is preserved for the contribution
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20131120 16:48:22 <masterzen> sgothel: I confirm that jogl 2.1.3-rc20131118 is now working on the problematic phone I have here... so good work!
20131120 16:49:16 <hharrison> sgothel is away until thursday I think
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20131120 17:28:18 <sgothel> back
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20131120 17:57:00 <sgothel> 20131119 12:09:30 <monsieur_max> i've got bunch of openAL errors "Invalid_operation" <- sounds like not-thread-safe operations to me
20131120 17:57:20 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/log/irc/jogamp_20131117152553.html#l1102 <- GLMediaPlayer / JOAL discussion
20131120 17:57:57 <sgothel> However, I agree .. that we shall test our API to allow a custom audio sink - however, JavaSound is currently not tested well .. and probably broken
20131120 17:58:49 <sgothel> @Xerxes: Good point - http://jogamp.org/log/irc/jogamp_20131117152553.html#l1108
20131120 17:59:52 <sgothel> @Xerxes: Will check w/ IcedTea later: http://jogamp.org/log/irc/jogamp_20131117152553.html#l1085 / https://gist.github.com/xranby/3e3b4ebd5b1fd67cef13
20131120 18:00:05 <sgothel> (Works w/ Oracle's plugin and same latest NV driver)
20131120 18:01:08 <sgothel> @Mark: How did the Ceylon session go ? Still working on it .. me just glancing over the loooong discussions ..
20131120 18:03:54 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/log/irc/jogamp_20131117152553.html#l1319 'Use System::loadLibrary(..)' instead of 'System::load(..)' <- may not work since we use the latter to load a library w/ full qualified path name and suffix .. bypassing CL lookup - AFAIK - but we can double check...
20131120 18:04:23 <sgothel> at this point .. I don't see the rational actually ..
20131120 18:08:00 <sgothel> @Xerxes, @Eclesia (for the record): If a piece of source code is written solely by me - I will grant Eclisia a dual PD license to allow him to use that code. Then it's 'legal' :) Don't wanne make things hard in code sharing here.
20131120 18:08:17 <sgothel> If mixed w/ other authors .. all must agree ..
20131120 18:08:25 <rmk0> 'lo
20131120 18:10:10 <rmk0> sgothel: i have to try combining the gluegen-rt and jogl jars (so (jogl-all.jar + gluegen-rt.jar), (jogl-all-natives-amd64-linux.jar + gluegen-rt-natives-amd64-linux.jar), etc)
20131120 18:10:32 <rmk0> so that they're all part of the same "module" in ceylon-speak and will have the same classloader
20131120 18:10:38 <rmk0> i've not got around to it yet
20131120 18:11:25 <rmk0> and i'm fine with putting anything i've written into the public domain
20131120 18:11:39 <rmk0> i used to do it before i discovered that it caused even more legal problems than the ISC license
20131120 18:13:07 <rmk0> https://github.com/io7m/coreland-send_file/blob/master/LICENSE
20131120 18:13:16 <rmk0> is the dedication i used to use
20131120 18:13:48 <rmk0> i suspect a good lawyer could twist that into a declaration that i'll sue anyone that even looks at the code
20131120 18:14:20 <sgothel> Yes - license wise - we shall stick to our BSD'ish main license - but grant PD usage - this shall let us stay on the safe side :)
20131120 18:14:47 <sgothel> If Eclisia can also grant us a BSD/ISC license .. that would be great - to stay on the safe side
20131120 18:15:10 <sgothel> he did it here .. but would be nice to have his explicit statement
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20131120 18:40:37 <sgothel> <masterzen> sgothel: I confirm that jogl 2.1.3-rc20131118 is now working on the problematic phone I have here... so good work!
20131120 18:40:45 <sgothel> @Brice: Can you send me the log files ?
20131120 18:41:19 <sgothel> w/ debug output etc ? i.e. I like to see more details .. i.e. whats so buggy w/ EGLConfig .. and lack of ES3 ctx creation
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20131120 23:34:01 <hharrison> sgothel: I'm not sure I can do the dual BSD-PD thing, the problem being I must have a warranty disclaimer on my code, that's one thing the BSD is good for
20131120 23:34:59 <sgothel> I agree here ... this request seems to be a good exercise to list the difficulties of PD license
20131120 23:35:05 <hharrison> That's what I don't understand about the PD-thing, people can use your code in exactly the same ways they could with a BAD license, but there's an (unlikely) chance you can get sued for goods not fit for purpose
20131120 23:35:27 <hharrison> not BAD....BSD (whoops)
20131120 23:35:30 <sgothel> yup - me don't get the PD 'benefits' either
20131120 23:35:49 <sgothel> i.e. I don't see restrictions
20131120 23:36:37 <sgothel> the 'non liability' lack of PD .. is a good point - others already mentioned the lack of acknowledging the existing copyright law
20131120 23:37:17 <sgothel> i.e. rendering a PD license to non existing when neglecting 'the law'
20131120 23:38:50 <sgothel> so we would need to ask Eclesia to create a some statements .. (liability, granting right to copy etc -> BSD) - for us to use his code
20131120 23:39:08 <sgothel> for him to use our code .. I don't know then
20131120 23:39:56 <sgothel> i.e. he may like to add 'no liability' to his license
20131120 23:45:34 <hharrison> No...we can disclaim liability
20131120 23:45:42 <hharrison> and use it as BSD
20131120 23:46:06 <hharrison> _he_ is the one at risk in that case (i'll admit the risk is likely small)
20131120 23:47:21 <sgothel> not really - I _always_ had to point to the BSD license to defend myself from liability when coming to support contracts :)
20131120 23:47:33 <sgothel> i.e. me not exceeding our license
20131120 23:48:48 <sgothel> I would love to have APL2 here .. patents .. but thats another issue, i.e. I also incl. a disclaimer that 'I will not _willfully_ add patented code w/o notice or infringe patents'
20131120 23:49:44 <sgothel> at least he would need to add our BSD license in parallel - so nobody gets 'ideas' .. and sues us
20131120 23:50:03 <sgothel> i.e. we will not grant warranty when choosing the PD license
20131120 23:50:24 <sgothel> so we cannot really offer a plain PD, but PD + non liability etc
20131120 23:51:16 <hharrison> APL2, not just patents, but trademark use too
20131120 23:51:27 <hharrison> I'm actually warming to the APL2 these days
20131120 23:51:58 <sgothel> yup .. it's like a BSD from GPL3 :)
20131120 23:52:45 <hharrison> yeah
20131120 23:52:47 <sgothel> but we cannot give such liability here either, i.e. we don't know whether we don't use patented stuff
20131120 23:53:02 <hharrison> BSD + I promise not to sue you...you promise not to sue others
20131120 23:53:13 <sgothel> only in certain areas .. I know
20131120 23:53:16 <hharrison> and you can't call it the same thing as my trademark
20131121 00:24:19 <hharrison> sgothel: just fyi, the focus changes have had zero reports of lockup after pushing out to the engineers
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