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#jogamp @ irc.freenode.net - 20131201 05:05:55 (UTC)

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20131201 10:22:58 <trigger> hi
20131201 12:13:49 <xranby_ac100> aye! hi from scotland
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20131201 16:06:14 <sgothel> @Xerxes: Winter in Scotland ? Watching sheep ? :)
20131201 17:48:54 <xranby_ac100> sgothel: the closest i got to a scottish sheep is a scottish tweed
20131201 17:55:59 <xranby_ac100> weather is perfect fresh air after previous fallen rain that keeps the streets soaked and give them a nice specular reflection from the streetlights
20131201 18:02:05 <sgothel> happy vacation :)
20131201 18:02:37 <sgothel> I just cleaned up 4 machines: vaccum cleaner, screwdriver, a brush .. piles of dust :)
20131201 18:02:59 <sgothel> don't wanne say: jogamp is on fire :)
20131201 18:06:03 <xranby_ac100> fan horrors.. everythime i think about it i like the idea of arm based servers without need of fans that form dustballs that can ignite if the fan stop
20131201 18:07:01 <xranby_ac100> eta ~6h before the email to fosdem needs to be in..
20131201 18:07:08 <sgothel> right ..
20131201 18:07:31 <sgothel> thought there was something .. hmm, I was gone friday-saturday for a while
20131201 18:07:38 <sgothel> anything for me to do ?
20131201 18:07:59 <xranby_ac100> we nede to settle on good topics for the talk(s)
20131201 18:08:30 <sgothel> hmm
20131201 18:08:50 <xranby_ac100> jogamp hardware acceleration beyond triangles
20131201 18:09:12 <sgothel> until feb .. dunno weather we can finish a browser plugin ..
20131201 18:09:22 <sgothel> but it will motivate me for sure
20131201 18:09:39 <sgothel> yes, and UI curves ...
20131201 18:10:07 <xranby_ac100> opencl on mobile may fit the jogamp talk
20131201 18:10:14 <xranby_ac100> and yes graph!
20131201 18:10:26 <sgothel> Wade seems to finish that jocl ant stuff, so yes - possible
20131201 18:11:37 <sgothel> jogamp scenarios on GPU: Curvy UI and Computing
20131201 18:11:57 <sgothel> JogAmp Scenarios via GPU: ...
20131201 18:12:02 <xranby_ac100> and procedural textures since core profile is the ocnly thing you can rely on..
20131201 18:12:16 <sgothel> thats just a given ..
20131201 18:12:25 <sgothel> just mean for the headline
20131201 18:12:41 <sgothel> JogAmp Scenarios via GPU: Curvy UI, Multimedia and Computing
20131201 18:16:44 <xranby_ac100> that would be enough for one 25min talk!
20131201 18:17:12 <xranby_ac100> we can have two talks.. thus topic two may be Ji Gong
20131201 18:17:56 <sgothel> which is sort of 'at risk' .. hmm
20131201 18:18:51 <sgothel> but yes, I will allocate ~2 weeks to produce a proof of concept, hopefully we can work together (plugin)
20131201 18:19:09 <sgothel> probably 'only' firefox's API
20131201 18:20:38 <xranby_ac100> Ji Gong: IcedTea-web & OpenJDK runtime deployment on mobile
20131201 18:22:05 <sgothel> that would be the min. openjdk8 'profile', a branch of IcedTea-web (AWT-Less plugin)
20131201 18:22:19 <sgothel> and maybe the new authentication scheme
20131201 18:23:02 <xranby_ac100> Source Certification Contract
20131201 18:23:05 <xranby_ac100> sure
20131201 18:24:22 <xranby_ac100> dinner here back in 1h
20131201 18:24:31 <sgothel> Ji Gong: Effortless Deployment, Browser Support without AWT and SSC Authentication
20131201 18:25:02 <sgothel> Text: Using .. OpenJDK8 .. bla .. IcedTea-Web branch w/o AWT .. bla ..
20131201 19:08:05 <xranby_ac100> sgothel: please subscribe to https://lists.fosdem.org/listinfo/java-devroom
20131201 19:52:25 <sgothel> subscribed
20131201 20:04:58 <xranby_ac100> Abstract (at least two paragraphs)
20131201 20:05:15 <xranby_ac100> * instruction: " If possible describe why Free Java is helpful or perhaps even essential to your project. What the audience will learn from the talk. How can people help out with the project, what feedback are you looking for? "
20131201 20:06:13 <xranby_ac100> we may start with a problem description in the fist paragraph that tell what is desired
20131201 20:06:47 <xranby_ac100> and then in the sedond paragraph tell how the technology in the talks aims to solve it
20131201 20:08:34 <xranby_ac100> i started filling in the template here: https://gist.github.com/xranby/46ca49e8f1a7307ff403
20131201 20:10:06 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/wiki/index.php/Ji_Gong_Overview
20131201 20:10:19 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/wiki/index.php/SCC_Overview
20131201 20:10:34 <sgothel> feel free to pick text from there .. ofc
20131201 20:11:32 <sgothel> btw .. I don't know how to work w/ 'gist' (checkout .. etc)
20131201 20:11:56 <sgothel> maybe the buzzword 'availability' should be in 'Ji Gong'
20131201 20:12:03 <sgothel> 'high availability'
20131201 20:12:29 <sgothel> SCC: maybe the overview 'Are You Who You Say You Are?'
20131201 20:16:52 <sgothel> Regarding JOGL: JogAmp offers a platform agnostic solution to produce 3D and UI w/ multimedia content incl. Audio and Computing running on a headless non-AWT capable JVM w/ OpenGL, OpenAL and OpenCL ..
20131201 20:17:19 <sgothel> Recording .. etc all is allowed ofc
20131201 20:17:35 <sgothel> We will record ourself as usual ..
20131201 20:20:42 <xranby_ac100> we should somehow mention that graph provides a patent free solution in the talk description
20131201 20:21:02 <sgothel> in the slides .. sure
20131201 20:21:20 <xranby_ac100> why not in the talk description?
20131201 20:21:40 <sgothel> but - hey, you make the calls here .. do if you like
20131201 20:22:34 <xranby_ac100> the thing we put into the description will be part of the fosdem website and printed paper folders
20131201 20:23:09 <sgothel> good .. I count on your judgement
20131201 20:23:23 <sgothel> final decision is on you :)
20131201 20:23:46 <sgothel> I am not against it .. me not having a strong opinion here
20131201 20:24:25 <sgothel> maybe I am shocked .. that again tons of work is ahead :)
20131201 20:29:59 <xranby_ac100> sgothel: ok lets focus on the jogamp talk for the next 1h... then think about if the ji gong talk is too early for fosdem
20131201 20:30:38 <sgothel> I don't know what would be a best fit for fosdem ..
20131201 20:31:02 <sgothel> jogamp is like .. done, sure UI improvements etc .. the usual
20131201 20:31:40 <sgothel> then spreading the Ji Gong thing for FOSDEM is surely the best audience to provoke :)
20131201 20:31:48 <sgothel> at least nothing for siggraph
20131201 20:32:07 <sgothel> siggraph 2014 shall have our UI stuff in great shape
20131201 20:32:46 <sgothel> so at least we can show a prototype of plugin and ji-gong'ish things at fosdem
20131201 20:33:05 <sgothel> and maybe have this as a base for discussion w/ the IcedTea-Web team
20131201 20:33:10 <sgothel> and IcedTea in general
20131201 20:33:22 <sgothel> ofc - openjdk team (Oracle) will not like it :)
20131201 20:34:21 <sgothel> so that pressure is fine .. just do us a favor and finalize the paperwork .. since you are better for this job here
20131201 20:34:49 <sgothel> I stay here for Q&A .. ofc .. but you drive it
20131201 20:35:23 <xranby_ac100> sure i will fill in the email and press send within 2h
20131201 20:35:31 <sgothel> :)
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20131201 21:35:25 <sgothel> https://jogamp.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=914
20131201 21:35:44 <sgothel> "Don't allow 'alwaysontop' in fullscreen mode, always allow switching to other applications via ALT-TAB" right ?
20131201 21:45:23 <xranby_ac100> sgothel: i am trying to make the abstract readable by someone who are not familiar with jogamp or hardware acceleration...
20131201 21:45:28 <xranby_ac100> how about this:
20131201 21:45:39 <xranby_ac100> "
20131201 21:45:40 <xranby_ac100> The JogAmp community creates tools for technology empowerment.
20131201 21:45:40 <xranby_ac100> JogAmp offers a solution to produce 3D graphics and Curvy user interface with multimedia content including Audio and Computing running on systems ranging from low power mobile and embedded to desktop and servers. JogAmp empower programmers with access to hardware accelerated APIs such as OpenGL, OpenAL and OpenCL.
20131201 21:45:40 <xranby_ac100> JogAmp offer a patent free implementation to draw resolution independent curves and vector graphics using OpenGL on both mobile and desktop graphics processors."
20131201 21:51:51 <sgothel> great - capitalization .. either all nouns capital (headline) ..
20131201 22:12:37 <xranby_ac100> sgothel: please help me out with the capitalization review...
20131201 22:12:48 <xranby_ac100> "Title: JogAmp Scenarios via GPU: Curvy user interfaces, Multimedia and Computing
20131201 22:12:48 <xranby_ac100> Abstract:
20131201 22:12:48 <xranby_ac100> The JogAmp community creates tools for technology empowerment.
20131201 22:12:48 <xranby_ac100> JogAmp offers a solution to produce 3D graphics and Curvy user interfaces with Multimedia content including Audio and Computing running on systems ranging from low power mobile and embedded to desktop and servers. JogAmp empower programmers with access to hardware accelerated APIs such as OpenGL, OpenAL and OpenCL.
20131201 22:12:48 <xranby_ac100> JogAmp offer a patent free implementation to draw resolution independent Curvy user interfaces and vector graphics using OpenGL on both mobile and desktop graphics processors.
20131201 22:12:48 <xranby_ac100> Links
20131201 22:12:48 <xranby_ac100> Website: http://jogamp.org/"
20131201 22:13:08 <sgothel> Curvy user interfaces, Multimedia and Computing -> Curvy User Interfaces, Multimedia and Computing
20131201 22:13:24 <sgothel> and Curvy user -> and curvy user
20131201 22:13:37 <sgothel> with Multimedia content -> with multimedia content
20131201 22:13:51 <sgothel> Audio and Computing running -> audio and computing running
20131201 22:14:12 <sgothel> Names stay capital .. i.e. Jogamp, OpenGL ..
20131201 22:14:33 <sgothel> draw resolution independent Curvy user -> draw resolution independent curved user
20131201 22:14:53 <sgothel> APIs is OK
20131201 22:27:21 <xranby_ac100> sgothel: thank you!
20131201 22:27:53 <sgothel> sure .. thank you!
20131201 22:28:05 <xranby_ac100> https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/java-devroom/2013-December/000063.html
20131201 22:28:47 <sgothel> Ji Gong (Deployment, High Availability, AWT-Less Plugin ..) ?
20131201 22:29:11 <sgothel> (your call)
20131201 22:31:04 <xranby_ac100> eta 1.5h for Ji Gong talk proposal
20131201 22:31:36 <xranby_ac100> hmm is it possible to describe this in terms that makes us get an audience for the talk :)
20131201 22:31:57 <sgothel> :)
20131201 22:32:17 <sgothel> Ji Gong: Break out of the Java Jail :)
20131201 22:32:27 <sgothel> lol
20131201 22:32:39 <sgothel> ooops boss calling late night dinner
20131201 22:32:54 <sgothel> IMHO our wiki says it all ..
20131201 22:32:59 <xranby_ac100> ok ask the boss what ji gong is all about
20131201 22:33:06 <sgothel> ha
20131201 22:33:19 <xranby_ac100> and we add a chinese proverb for abstract
20131201 22:33:33 <xranby_ac100> ok enjoy your dinner
20131201 22:33:48 <xranby_ac100> yes the wiki is the best source
20131201 22:33:48 <sgothel> Ji Gong: Proposal for High Availability JVM Technology on All Platforms
20131201 22:34:10 <xranby_ac100> good
20131201 22:34:23 <xranby_ac100> it also fits this years fosdem java devroom focus
20131201 22:34:37 <sgothel> Ji Gong discusses how to deploy a minimal efficient JVM on all platforms including web browsers.
20131201 22:35:13 <sgothel> On such targets, no AWT is expected and user pluggable hw-accel UI shall be enforced (-> Jogamp)
20131201 22:36:19 <sgothel> We will showcase using JogAmp running ontop of JiGong within a browser on embedded devices and desktop, however other UI technology can be utilized and plugged-in.
20131201 22:36:27 <sgothel> .. something like this ..
20131201 22:38:43 <sgothel> so JiGong shall not be seen as a product, but a 'proposal name' to provoke discussion on high availability .. etc
20131201 22:38:51 <sgothel> legal issues included
20131201 22:39:06 <sgothel> if you can bring that into a nice textual context .. KUDOS
20131201 22:39:43 <sgothel> may I go to dinner ? more discussions ?
20131201 22:39:53 <xranby_ac100> please go for dinner
20131201 22:39:58 <sgothel> thx! :)
20131201 22:40:03 <xranby_ac100> i will try condense this :)
20131201 22:40:29 <xranby_ac100> and press the send button
20131201 23:56:46 <rmk0> sgothel: it seems that GLES2 and GLES3 contexts are unavailable as of 2.1.3-rc-20131111
20131201 23:57:01 <rmk0> this is on mesa on amd
20131201 23:57:26 <rmk0> just got around to updating jcanephora to the latest rcs and noticed half the unit tests weren't being executed...
20131201 23:57:28 <xranby_ac100> https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/java-devroom/2013-December/000064.html
20131201 23:59:56 <xranby_ac100> rmk0: humm. GLES2 is working here on my GLES2 device
20131202 00:00:50 <rmk0> 2.1.2 did work correctly... am just putting together some debug logs
20131202 00:01:05 <xranby_ac100> thank you
20131202 00:01:34 <rmk0> is there anything more verbose than -Djogamp.debug=all ?
20131202 00:05:31 <xranby_ac100> dont think there is a catch all.. jogamp.debug enable all debugging for gluegen
20131202 00:05:46 <xranby_ac100> jogl.debug=all enable all debugging for jogl
20131202 00:06:16 <rmk0> hm... seems like 2.1.2 didn't work correctly, actually
20131202 00:06:20 <rmk0> not... sure what's going on here
20131202 00:06:23 * rmk0 investigates
20131202 00:06:37 <xranby_ac100> the wiki mention the recommendation which flags to use for bugreports
20131202 00:16:58 <rmk0> https://jogamp.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=915
20131202 00:17:12 <rmk0> no idea why i didn't catch this sooner...
20131202 00:18:06 <rmk0> i suppose when unit tests succeed if the current platform doesn't support ES2, i'm only going to notice when i notice that code coverage numbers are low
20131202 00:23:54 <xranby_ac100> mesa 10 is released
20131202 00:24:05 <xranby_ac100> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/mesa-announce/2013-November/000069.html
20131202 01:21:10 <sgothel> @Mark: Latest RC !
20131202 01:21:25 <sgothel> @Xerxes: Great!
20131202 01:21:56 <sgothel> @Mark: This is already solved AFAIK .. hmm
20131202 01:23:00 <sgothel> 2.1.3-rc-20131129 oh
20131202 01:26:25 <sgothel> @Mark: I tested w/ Mesa 9.2 .. Intel though .. reading logs
20131202 01:43:28 <sgothel> main: GLContext.setGLFuncAvail: Pre version verification - expected 2.0 (ES profile, hardware), strictMatch true, glVersionsMapping false main: GLContext.setGLFuncAvail: Version verification (Int): String OpenGL ES 3.0 Mesa 9.2.3, Number(Int) 3.0.0 main: GLContext.setGLFuncAvail.X: FAIL, GL version mismatch (Int): 2.0 (ES profile, hardware) -> OpenGL ES 3.0 Mesa 9.2.3, 3.0.0 main: createImpl: setGLFunctionAvailability FAILED delete 0x7f5b9c67a440
20131202 01:43:47 <sgothel> ^^ No ES2, since context reports it is ES3 !
20131202 01:47:38 <sgothel> EGLDrawableFactory.mapAvailableEGLESConfig: GLES3 ( 3 ), defaultSharedResourceSet false, mapsADeviceToDefaultDevice true (QUERY_EGL_ES_NATIVE_TK false, hasDesktopFactory true, isEGLGraphicsDevice true) EGLDrawableFactory.mapAvailableEGLESConfig() no pbuffer config available, detected !pbuffer config: false
20131202 01:47:48 <sgothel> bug in impl (AMD) .. :(
20131202 01:48:06 <sgothel> i.e. no ES3 type available ..
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