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20131216 21:24:14 <xranby_ac100> good evening
20131216 21:52:08 <sgothel> Goody ..
20131216 21:52:50 <sgothel> Looks like crunch time in January for FOSDEM .. :)
20131216 21:53:14 <xranby_ac100> time to start work on slides :)
20131216 21:53:44 <sgothel> Xerxes, which mobile platform to be used w/ browser ? Your [in]famous phone ?
20131216 21:54:06 <xranby_ac100> yes.. and some android device would be nice as well
20131216 21:54:09 <sgothel> hehe .. I guess I better focus on code then .. hmm
20131216 21:54:24 <xranby_ac100> that is getting some sort of browser plugin working on android
20131216 21:54:32 <sgothel> hoping firefox build has the NAPI included
20131216 21:54:44 <sgothel> yes
20131216 21:54:49 <xranby_ac100> it surey have.. the flash plugin uses it
20131216 21:55:58 <sgothel> then need to peek into firefox code .. what type of native window handle they use
20131216 21:56:23 <sgothel> probably some 'dalvik callbacks' ..
20131216 21:57:32 <sgothel> i.e. keyboard/mouse i/o and opengl API interfacing, doubt they use secret API stuff
20131216 21:59:15 <xranby_ac100> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Add-ons/Firefox_for_Android?redirectlocale=en-US&redirectslug=Extensions%2FMobile
20131216 22:00:42 <xranby_ac100> hmm i wonder if extensions is the same as plugins
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20131216 22:41:10 <xranby_ac100> hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/
20131216 22:43:58 <xranby_ac100> Current Firefox and Gecko development. Releases branch off of this repository. Also known as "Trunk"
20131216 22:45:53 <xranby_ac100> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Fennec/Android
20131216 22:46:28 <xranby_ac100> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Fennec/Android#Hacking
20131216 22:50:02 <xranby_ac100> sgothel: acquiteNativeWindow returns a ANPNativeWindow
20131216 22:50:20 <xranby_ac100> https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/ident?i=acquireNativeWindow
20131216 22:57:11 <xranby_ac100> hg clone http://icedtea.classpath.org/hg/icedtea-web
20131216 23:01:34 <xranby_ac100> so in order to write a npapi plugin for android the icedtea-web code needs to get updated to use the android_npapi.h https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/plugins/base/android/android_npapi.h
20131216 23:27:02 <sgothel> hmm
20131216 23:28:21 <xranby_ac100> https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/plugins/base/npapi.h <- 471 typedef struct _NPWindow 472 { 473 void* window; /* Platform specific window handle */
20131216 23:28:22 <sgothel> for native window parenting ok .. just thinking loud about whether to use dalvik or jdk8 ..
20131216 23:28:57 <sgothel> and this interface does not solve mouse/keyboard input handling .. or does it ?
20131216 23:29:57 <sgothel> however the details are: we have 2 options: dalvik or jdk8
20131216 23:30:32 <sgothel> jdk8 = jamvm+ .. I guess
20131216 23:31:08 <xranby_ac100> if we can statically link and bundle eglibc with jdk8 and jamvm then it should run on andorid
20131216 23:31:14 <sgothel> ok .. that API incl. even input events
20131216 23:31:45 <xranby_ac100> easier than porting jdk8 and jamvm to bionic
20131216 23:31:45 <sgothel> 'eglibc' ?
20131216 23:31:58 <sgothel> really ?
20131216 23:32:08 <xranby_ac100> the flavour of glibc used by all recent gnu linux distributions
20131216 23:32:09 <sgothel> but then, why not simply using Dalvik
20131216 23:33:04 <xranby_ac100> you can run classes
20131216 23:33:12 <xranby_ac100> instead of dex
20131216 23:33:14 <sgothel> sure .. users would need to provide APKs besides JAR files .. or we would need to add the JAR->APK handling
20131216 23:34:14 <sgothel> performance is probably better w/ Dalvik that w/ JamVM .. but we will see how all that goes
20131216 23:34:42 <sgothel> *than*
20131216 23:34:49 <xranby_ac100> i leave the benchmark numbers to the benchmarks to decide
20131216 23:35:23 <xranby_ac100> most users care if it start fast
20131216 23:36:02 <sgothel> sure
20131216 23:36:16 <sgothel> so Android work will be ofc the last thing todo, if there is time left
20131216 23:36:37 <xranby_ac100> my infamous phone is basically a x11 device
20131216 23:36:49 <sgothel> yes, hence I love it
20131216 23:37:07 <sgothel> but others are available now w/ Wayland ?
20131216 23:37:14 <xranby_ac100> jolla is released
20131216 23:37:22 <sgothel> so adding Wayland to NEWT could solve that problem ..
20131216 23:37:41 <xranby_ac100> there is a jolla sdk with emulator
20131216 23:37:47 <sgothel> can I buy it already ? a while ago, it was only for locals ?
20131216 23:38:20 <sgothel> (I dislike those emulators .. hmm .. dunno really why, old fashion .. like to hold it in my hands :)
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20131216 23:48:45 <xranby_ac100> hmm jolla is only available through the finnish operator DNA for people who preordered it.. yup pretty local still
20131216 23:51:37 <xranby_ac100> hmm maybe they can sell it https://kauppa3.dna.fi/sopimus/?offering=971
20131216 23:53:00 <sgothel> I clicked the 'EN' for english .. then the offer went 'away' :-/
20131216 23:53:18 <sgothel> If you can assist me here .. I would love to purchase one
20131216 23:53:47 <xranby_ac100> unfortunally i dont read finnish :/
20131216 23:53:48 <sgothel> at least within 1st or 2nd week in January .. hopefully that would be not too late
20131216 23:53:52 <sgothel> ah :)
20131216 23:53:56 <xranby_ac100> odin_: ^
20131216 23:54:40 <sgothel> Yeah, whoever can help me fill out those forms .. or re-buy it .. I would be happy to do so
20131216 23:55:25 <sgothel> So the order of tasks: Plugin+NEWT, SSC, Wayland
20131216 23:55:33 <sgothel> then - maybe, Android
20131216 23:56:07 <sgothel> at least in some state to show something for February
20131216 23:57:50 <sgothel> @Odin .. what to click on that page .. ?
20131216 23:58:25 <xranby_ac100> the second page is problematic.. you have to choose a monthly plan :/
20131217 00:02:52 <xranby_ac100> sgothel: you can also try get one from ebay
20131217 00:05:23 <sgothel> "12th Dec: I just confirmed the existing regulations from the Finnish Postal Services' support number, that indeed it is not possible to send Lithium batteries of any kind abroad!" :)
20131217 00:05:31 <sgothel> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jolla-Sailfish-Smartphone-16GB-EU-Limited-Ed-Other-Half-/201002873229?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item2eccb4718d#viTabs_0
20131217 00:32:06 <xranby_ac100> good night, Plugin+NEWT first!
20131217 00:32:18 <sgothel> good night
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20131217 01:25:40 <sgothel> ok, bidding for one jolla and one N9 phone now
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