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20140302 01:54:55 <phao> if I knew gittutorial(7) was so good, I'd have started out with it.
20140302 01:55:37 <jk4> if they told you about it first, you wouldn't have to suffer as much as the other people did
20140302 01:57:39 <phao> That probably is true.
20140302 01:57:58 <phao> I've went through 3 other git materials. But there wasn't so much of a suffering, but more of a boredoom.
20140302 01:58:14 <phao> It's impressive how something people call "really amazing" can be exposed so boringly.
20140302 01:58:49 <phao> The "Version Control By Example" isn't really boring, but it doesn't teach much.
20140302 02:03:51 <jk4> Any tool that contains every feature known to man could be described as "really amazing", I suppose.
20140302 02:04:23 <phao> C++?
20140302 02:04:24 <phao> =D
20140302 02:06:11 <jk4> Many gpood examples.
20140302 02:07:52 <phao> jk4, do you do software development as your job?
20140302 02:09:48 <jk4> i do
20140302 02:09:55 <jk4> freelance
20140302 02:11:04 <phao> jk4, cool, I've heard that freelancing is quite profitable.
20140302 02:11:11 <phao> Compared to being an employee in a company.
20140302 02:11:14 <jk4> i'm not a very good freelancer
20140302 02:11:17 <phao> jk4, what is it that you free lance?
20140302 02:11:56 <jk4> i have one client for whom I do sort of upper stack stuff
20140302 02:12:04 <phao> I sometimes talk to a guy who made games for the iOS. He made lots of money, but he also had contacts from his previous works (as an employee in several companies). It seems that helped him.
20140302 02:12:11 <phao> jk4, Upper stack?
20140302 02:12:31 <jk4> i do the web ui and a couple layers below
20140302 02:12:46 <phao> I see. I gotta learn that. It's past time.
20140302 02:12:59 <phao> And it seems there are lots of cool stuff available for javascript, html5, css3.
20140302 02:13:14 <jk4> too much stuff imo
20140302 02:13:21 <phao> Probably =)
20140302 02:13:24 <jk4> and then not enough too
20140302 02:14:23 <phao> It's seems to me that it's too easy for a JS developer get mistakely convinced that it's easier to re-invent the wheel than to use something already there.
20140302 02:14:42 <jk4> being a JS developer is part of the problem
20140302 02:14:50 <phao> Hehe.
20140302 02:15:02 <phao> Maybe not. The best software developer I know loves JS. He's REALLY good.
20140302 02:15:08 <jk4> full stack JS is a sick joke
20140302 02:15:09 <phao> He's not just a JS developer, of course.
20140302 02:15:22 <phao> "Full stack" being both server and client?
20140302 02:15:29 <jk4> everything
20140302 02:15:38 <jk4> invented by people who rely on fixing bugs to keep them employed rather than adding value
20140302 02:15:53 <phao> Why do you say so?
20140302 02:16:37 <jk4> too loosy goosy
20140302 02:16:39 <jk4> goosey
20140302 02:16:52 <jk4> .. in short
20140302 02:17:02 <jk4> don't care to expound on it much. people will do what the do
20140302 02:17:10 <jk4> and plenty of people are convinced it's a good idea
20140302 02:17:28 <phao> I am not sure I follow. What is too "loosy goosey"?
20140302 02:17:38 <jk4> the language
20140302 02:17:42 <phao> Ahh, I see.
20140302 02:17:50 <phao> I didn't know what loosey goosey was.
20140302 02:17:52 <phao> is*
20140302 02:18:03 <jk4> suppose it wouldn't translate well :)
20140302 02:18:11 <phao> Hehe.
20140302 02:18:36 <phao> I've heard and seem some of the JS mess. It surprises me that we are really stuck with it.
20140302 02:19:18 <jk4> not sure why it's been shoved down our throats
20140302 02:19:34 <phao> jk4, it seems that the alternatives at the time were worse.
20140302 02:19:51 <jk4> oh i highly doubt that
20140302 02:20:00 <jk4> programmers don't do research they just go with what they know
20140302 02:20:11 <jk4> it's an extremely hedonistic profession
20140302 02:20:21 <phao> I see. But besides java applets, were there something?
20140302 02:20:39 <phao> I know MS supported vbscript
20140302 02:21:18 <jk4> you lost me
20140302 02:21:49 <jk4> you're going back to ancient history it seems
20140302 02:22:10 <jk4> i'm thinking of things like node
20140302 02:22:24 <phao> Ahhh.
20140302 02:22:28 <phao> On the server.
20140302 02:22:34 <phao> I see. SOrry. I was thinking on the client.
20140302 02:22:43 <phao> =D
20140302 02:23:06 <phao> But on the server, it's just hype and "internet talk", most is still java, php, C#, ruby, python.
20140302 02:23:09 <phao> Not javascript at all.
20140302 02:33:11 <phao> jk4, do you work with js on the server?
20140302 02:33:44 <jk4> Ada
20140302 02:34:12 <phao> You use ada on the server?
20140302 02:34:50 <phao> I've seen very little Ada on my concurrent programming classes for the tasks features, the accept and so forth.
20140302 02:34:59 <phao> I'm not, also, sure how up to date was what I saw.
20140302 02:35:01 <jk4> Yes, our product is written in Ada. The webserver is in Ada.
20140302 02:35:16 <phao> But I remember finding really cool.
20140302 02:35:25 <jk4> Almost entirely Ada except where it interfaces with FreeSwitch
20140302 02:35:35 <phao> But why Ada?
20140302 02:36:06 <jk4> Long laundry list
20140302 02:36:08 <phao> Sure it must be good, but aren't there better alternatives? I thought Ada was pretty much in "maintenance" mode.
20140302 02:36:17 <phao> Like Delphi or something like that.
20140302 02:36:19 <jk4> phao: we call that "mature"
20140302 02:36:28 <jk4> Though Ada is hardly standing still
20140302 02:36:43 <jk4> has had to revisions in the past 7 years
20140302 02:37:00 <phao> 2 revisions, you mean?
20140302 02:37:09 <jk4> yep
20140302 02:37:44 <phao> The language I like the most is scheme. But I really wish people hadn't screwd up on C++.
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