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20140409 07:50:36 * Topic is 'http://jogamp.org | Hacking 3D Graphics, Multimedia and Processing across Devices'
20140409 07:50:36 * Set by rmk0 on 20130116 23:58:04
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20140409 08:03:49 <sgothel> https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-0160 <- reminder (update openssl/libssl and reboot or restart all process using it: 'lsof -n | grep ssl | grep DEL'
20140409 08:07:06 <sgothel> re graph-ui: TextureButton works w/ GLMediaPlayer now, lot's of fixes: blending, picking, pinch-2-zoom .. etc - todo: multiple 'movie buttons, incl. efficient TextureSequence shader program management'
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20140409 10:10:31 <xranby> https://www.ssllabs.com/ <- server and client SSL tests
20140409 10:13:58 <xranby> sgothel: the ssllabs service suggest to enable perfect forward secrecy PFS to jogamp.org
20140409 10:17:23 <xranby> basically it detected that some reference browsers fail to use PFS even if both the server and the borwser supports it
20140409 10:17:31 <xranby> instead they negociated on weaker crypto
20140409 10:17:58 <xranby> maybe add PFS as a preffered default
20140409 10:18:10 <xranby> or remove the weak RC4
20140409 10:18:51 <xranby> https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=www.jogamp.org
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20140409 14:46:24 <sgothel> @xerxes: all great - do you know how ?
20140409 14:46:45 <sgothel> will earmark this task ..
20140409 14:47:11 <sgothel> what was tested ? jogamp.org:443 ? or ports 993 / 465 ?
20140409 14:47:33 <sgothel> need to find a moment to check the config manuals :)
20140409 14:47:45 <sgothel> thought that RC4 was disabled .. hmm
20140409 14:48:02 <sgothel> or at least not used if browser is capable of more
20140409 14:48:16 <sgothel> ^^ a bug .. it would be
20140409 14:48:34 <xranby> i dont know at all how to configure ssl
20140409 14:49:26 <sgothel> (diff ssl engines are used for the diff services, apache, dovecot, sendmail ..)
20140409 14:50:04 <sgothel> @Jiri: working on a 'merge' would be nice - yes. will check my time in this regard .. hmm
20140409 14:51:28 <sgothel> firefox here says: TLS_DHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA 128 bit keys .. hmm (is a good symmetric one, AFAIK)
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20140409 15:13:11 <sgothel> how to: ssl re-keying w/o costs ? have to check .. hmm. Then all plain passwords (wiki, email, ..) would need to be reset.
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20140409 15:34:07 <xranby-64> some free ssl cert services have started to demand a fee for revocation!
20140409 15:35:33 <xranby-64> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=994033 <- Most StartSSL certs will stay compromised
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20140409 16:46:32 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/deployment/archive/master/gluegen_785-joal_531-jogl_1247-jocl_952-signed/jogl-applet-runner-newt-GraphUISceneDemo02-napplet.html <- graph-ui ..
20140409 16:48:04 <sgothel> .. ah - need to add joal jars :)
20140409 16:51:26 <sgothel> patched/copied over html files :)
20140409 17:23:06 <sgothel> 'Heartblead conspiracy' .. <http://blog.fefe.de/?ts=adba343f> (german lang, use your fav. translator :)
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20140409 17:30:06 <sgothel> all in all .. looks like to wait w/ purchasing news certs .. until finding a better ssl/tls impl.
20140409 17:34:09 <sgothel> http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2014/04/links-4914.html#comment-1977466
20140409 17:45:33 <sgothel> https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/04/heartbleed.html#c5359449 <- the redundant payload (req _and_ response) .. oh dear :)
20140409 17:49:37 <sgothel> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/211952/focus=211963 <- Theo on the issue ..
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20140409 19:19:55 <xranby-64> sgothel: that graph ui movieplayer in a button demo is _very_ cool!
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20140409 20:08:36 <sgothel> nice that you like it .. picking etc also fixed
20140409 20:08:59 <sgothel> need to do the efficient shader handling for those ui/region classes
20140409 20:09:10 <sgothel> server: removed weak ciphers
20140409 20:09:58 <sgothel> PFS .. dunno whether EC* ciphers are 'good', the ecliptic curves ..
20140409 20:10:46 <xranby-64> sgothel: i tortured it a bit.. tried to use the scroll wheel and zoom up the video... something odd happens if the video button grow too big
20140409 20:10:49 <sgothel> ^^ graph-ui: tablet 2-finger zoom .. and double-tab scroll -> rotate also works
20140409 20:11:13 <xranby-64> then other components started to dissapear hmm
20140409 20:11:19 <sgothel> ah ..
20140409 20:11:35 <sgothel> the VBAA version .. hmm
20140409 20:12:03 <sgothel> Qun tested the android version (MSAA) so far .. so good, sure .. demo may exceed some limits
20140409 20:16:32 <sgothel> the youtube -> stream 'filter' would be nice .. or any other search/filter .. 'archive' - for next demo
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20140409 20:24:03 <sgothel> ok .. forced PFS does not seem possible w/ apache < 2.3.3 hmm .. however .. using recommended preferred ciphers etc - removing weak ones
20140409 20:24:17 <sgothel> A-
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20140409 20:32:24 <sgothel> @Xerxes: zooming passing video pixels .. then .. out of FBO size .. and all is corrupted ..
20140409 20:32:42 <sgothel> (due to sample size == 1 .. or so)
20140409 20:33:21 <sgothel> will tackle the very fine-print later .. need to check the shader management 1st
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20140409 22:17:25 <xranby-64> "Those thinking that the OpenSSL Heartbleed vuln only affects servers, think again. PoC for client attacks is out" https://github.com/Lekensteyn/pacemaker
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20140409 22:21:44 <sgothel> yup
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20140409 22:39:18 <sgothel> @Xerxes: after getting a new cert .. need to change all pwds .. right ?
20140409 22:39:40 <sgothel> Q is .. I hope none of our tls based services allowed intrusion .. hmm
20140409 22:40:02 <sgothel> apache: bugzilla, jenkins, wiki, .. and sendmail/dovecot
20140409 22:40:07 <sgothel> guess thats it ..
20140409 22:41:12 <sgothel> git + login was over ssh - so safe
20140409 22:42:36 <sgothel> @Mark @Xerxes @All: Any more to consider ?
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20140409 22:44:29 <sgothel> sendmail- 25380 root mem REG 0,16 391928 241304 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0
20140409 22:44:30 <sgothel> hmm
20140409 22:46:58 <sgothel> sendmail running as root ? wtf?
20140409 23:08:58 <sgothel> firefox vulnerable .. hmm :)
20140409 23:09:12 <sgothel> good link Xerxes .. pacemaker.py that is !
20140409 23:09:46 <sgothel> 'python pacemaker.py --skip-server' <- skips FF ssl cert negotiation ..
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20140409 23:16:07 <sgothel> ^^ not so sure .. (firefox, pacemaker settings .. hmm)
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20140410 15:07:55 <sgothel> requested new certs ..
20140410 15:08:45 <sgothel> Hetzner probably will issue new one w/o charging .. keeping you updated
20140410 15:09:52 <sgothel> @Mark (our security sensible dude): your take and actions ?
20140410 15:10:28 <rmk0> HELLO
20140410 15:10:47 <rmk0> i think you've already done everything that can be done
20140410 15:10:49 <sgothel> helo
20140410 15:11:38 <sgothel> so we shall go through the pain and replace all passwords when we have new certs ..
20140410 15:11:48 <rmk0> yep
20140410 15:12:14 <sgothel> hardening ciphers .. in apache 2.2 .. I removed the weak keys ..
20140410 15:12:30 <sgothel> now sendmail + dovecot might be finetuned as well ..
20140410 15:12:49 <sgothel> would need apache 2.4 for PFS .. hmm n/a on debian 7.0
20140410 15:13:09 <sgothel> 'use the source ..' ?
20140410 15:13:30 <rmk0> think it's probably more important to have OS packages than to be manually compiling
20140410 15:13:37 <sgothel> benefit: leaked private keys will not leak historical encrypted data .. hmm
20140410 15:13:38 <rmk0> you know how often apache has holes in it
20140410 15:13:51 <sgothel> I agree .. hence discussing :)
20140410 15:14:10 <sgothel> then .. I also don't like the ecliptic curve ciphers ..
20140410 15:14:25 <sgothel> not that me an expert, but what I have read 'a hack' ..
20140410 15:14:43 <rmk0> i don't know enough to say, but they've not had as much analysis solely due to age
20140410 15:15:12 <sgothel> selecting ciphers w/ sendmail + dovecot: experiences ?
20140410 15:15:30 <rmk0> i'd violently remove sendmail
20140410 15:15:44 <rmk0> not run dovecot on anything public facing, so i don't know there
20140410 15:15:49 <sgothel> part of sendmail is running as root ..
20140410 15:15:58 <rmk0> sendmail is a giant setuid root binary...
20140410 15:16:24 <sgothel> me shaking .. replacing w/ .. ?
20140410 15:16:36 <sgothel> did sendmail all my life .. :)
20140410 15:16:37 <rmk0> i tend to use postfix everywhere
20140410 15:16:57 <sgothel> MTA ?
20140410 15:16:57 <rmk0> i'd probably use qmail if it was actually maintained
20140410 15:17:03 <rmk0> yeah
20140410 15:17:18 <sgothel> but no ssl+login w/ postfix ?
20140410 15:17:31 <sgothel> yes, qmail .. weird tool that is
20140410 15:17:40 <rmk0> postfix supports tls
20140410 15:17:44 <rmk0> not sure what you mean by login
20140410 15:18:06 <sgothel> user credentials over tls
20140410 15:18:27 <rmk0> oh, like... authenticated smtp?
20140410 15:18:38 <sgothel> to send emails .. yes
20140410 15:18:45 <rmk0> yeah, does support that
20140410 15:19:07 <rmk0> it should do everything sendmail does, is intended as a complete replacement for it
20140410 15:19:20 <sgothel> i.e. MTA (to accept the emails from external and fwd) .. and the user-sends-email (dunno name)
20140410 15:19:27 <sgothel> ah
20140410 15:19:59 <sgothel> goody .. hmm, will spend a day reading I guess .. interacting w/ bogofilter and dovecot
20140410 15:20:54 <sgothel> interesting that sendmail has no chroot .. non-setuid mode .. hmm
20140410 15:20:56 <rmk0> i run a small setup here with postfix delivering mail to maildirs in the user's home directory
20140410 15:21:00 <rmk0> and then dovecot reads that maildir
20140410 15:21:04 <rmk0> is pretty painless
20140410 15:21:19 <rmk0> think sendmail is a relic from a time when everyone ran everything as root and trusted everyone else
20140410 15:21:25 <rmk0> they can't fix that without rewriting from scratch
20140410 15:23:32 <sgothel> so .. is firefox vulnerable to this heartbleed or not ? Which ssl/tls impl. does it use ? Couldn't test it properly...
20140410 15:23:45 <rmk0> not sure
20140410 15:24:07 <rmk0> my browser vm gets wiped nightly, so i sort of tend to ignore browser vulnerabilities... /o\
20140410 15:24:29 <sgothel> yeah .. me using a diff user account .. still
20140410 15:24:41 <rmk0> safest to assume the whole thing's compromised all the time
20140410 15:24:53 <rmk0> i keep it up to date, but i don't stress over it
20140410 15:24:55 <sgothel> but but .. the inconvenience :)
20140410 15:28:30 <sgothel> http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bk0DY8XCEAAPpS7.png:large <- at least no 'false accept' w/ openssl
20140410 15:29:27 * rmk0 hugs bouncycastle
20140410 15:29:49 <rmk0> it's so nice having a decent TLS implementation that's also memory-safe in the jvm
20140410 15:30:25 <rmk0> doesn't surprise me that openjdk and bouncy castle are the "most correct" in that table
20140410 15:30:53 <sgothel> better reject more often than accept :)
20140410 15:30:57 <rmk0> yep
20140410 16:20:00 <sgothel> cynical smile: Scandal! Russians have military in Russia :) / The post proxy war mongering reaches new levels .. sadly, what a shame.
20140410 16:21:24 <sgothel> hope it will be a cold feet failure of 'our' politicians (again), better than a hot failure
20140410 16:22:27 <sgothel> good that 'they' didn't react on the many western military movements _outside of 'our' own territory :) .. yeah
20140410 16:22:52 <sgothel> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/10/satellite-images-russian-military-ukraine-border
20140410 16:23:55 <sgothel> reading the comments of our war mongering press, always gives me some relieve :)
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20140411 00:22:05 <sgothel> http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/lib/libssl/ssl/Makefile?rev=1.29;content-type=text%2Fx-cvsweb-markup <- Theo's take #2 :)
20140411 00:30:42 <xranby-64> That's powerful!
20140411 00:32:14 <sgothel> @Xerxes: fixing your raw demo - jogl changes detect your bug, where you delete the buffer in display() method
20140411 00:34:12 <xranby-64> right... the code tries to reuse a deleted vbo hmm
20140411 00:35:10 <xranby-64> http://git.openssl.org/gitweb/?p=openssl.git;a=commit;h=4817504d069b4c5082161b02a22116ad75f822b1 <--- checked in at new years eve 2011
20140411 00:35:28 <xranby-64> maybe he was drunk?
20140411 00:35:49 <sgothel> .. the reviewer is located a few miles away from GCHQ :)
20140411 00:35:58 <sgothel> dunno
20140411 00:36:16 <sgothel> must have been a teams effort to miss this one .. especially the SPEC
20140411 00:36:43 <sgothel> I mentioned earlier .. the redundant payload in the 1st place .. was an attack
20140411 00:36:54 <xranby-64> its funny that there is no mention of the issue on the IETF homepage or social channels
20140411 00:37:08 <sgothel> that's how they operate :)
20140411 00:38:01 <xranby-64> jaja.. one of the swedish banks are down totally
20140411 00:38:05 <sgothel> funny tongue's say .. they had to disclose this one now .. since China became aware :)
20140411 00:38:15 <xranby-64> noone can do transactions not even by visa
20140411 00:38:41 <sgothel> I checked my important connections .. not affected .. lucky us
20140411 00:38:49 <xranby-64> people are stranded and kicked out from taxis in forreign countries
20140411 00:39:03 <sgothel> wow
20140411 00:39:21 <sgothel> a little appetizer of what hopefully will not happen ..
20140411 00:39:32 <xranby-64> it is still not fixed
20140411 00:39:37 <xranby-64> so.. who know
20140411 00:39:47 <sgothel> http://www.zerohedge.com/ .. reading those articles .. make you shiver sometimes :)
20140411 00:39:50 <xranby-64> their last info update came out by... facebook
20140411 00:40:00 <sgothel> haha
20140411 00:40:26 <xranby-64> and they said... we have no clue about the cause
20140411 00:40:34 <sgothel> yeah ..
20140411 00:41:04 <sgothel> time to employ knowledge workers again .. instead of outsourcing everything maybe ? :)
20140411 00:41:34 <xranby-64> +1
20140411 00:42:26 <sgothel> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-10/gazprom-prepares-symbolic-bond-issue-chinese-yuan <- this kind of things .. guess Europe / Nato will continue playing the idiot for the petrodollar .. while harming Europe a lot ..
20140411 00:42:54 <sgothel> Next: Germany buys gas from China using RMB .. hahaha
20140411 00:43:24 <sgothel> Time to visit Siggraph Asia maybe ? :)
20140411 00:43:26 <xranby-64> hmm maybe i should create a lego bricks for crypto currencies exchange
20140411 00:43:53 <xranby-64> i watch bitcoin fall
20140411 00:44:24 <xranby-64> i have moved everything from proof-of-work to proof-of-stake _only_ cryptocurrencies
20140411 00:44:56 <sgothel> oh well .. some are joking .. what will happen when countries will ask the US to show the gold (they still claim to hold for 'em) .. etc. Germany is still waiting ..
20140411 00:45:04 <sgothel> They say .. complicated logistics ..
20140411 00:45:21 <sgothel> even though .. the transport from Ukraine to the US was just one lift :)
20140411 00:45:49 <sgothel> crypto... right .. needs all the infrastructure
20140411 00:46:25 <sgothel> Good that Qun learned how to use a rifle .. hopefully she does not need to teach me ..
20140411 00:46:44 <sgothel> :)
20140411 00:46:59 <xranby-64> we plan to get one of those iron stoves
20140411 00:47:14 <xranby-64> making food without electricity is good
20140411 00:47:16 <sgothel> solid
20140411 00:47:28 <sgothel> yup
20140411 00:53:42 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/git/?p=jogl-demos.git;a=commit;h=7ad85a35d96b320d7e7929913dc1c347a0f7d7ad
20140411 00:54:59 <xranby-64> great!
20140411 00:58:51 <xranby-64> i have moved all my cryptocurrencies into blackcoin http://www.blackcoin.co/ it is the first "coin" that disabled mining entirely
20140411 00:59:19 <xranby-64> thus the network is driven by the client's applications
20140411 00:59:51 <xranby-64> the network ledger uses stake time to issue transaktions
20140411 01:00:29 <sgothel> ah .. after my 'study' of things (4 days).. I lost all interest .. since none really is a 'peoples currency' .. maybe one day .. :)
20140411 01:00:38 <sgothel> but it was a good read ..
20140411 01:01:26 <xranby-64> i have put some of my "coins" into donations to make them actually usable
20140411 01:01:34 <xranby-64> like point of sale systems
20140411 01:01:58 <xranby-64> such as this canadian terminal https://coinkite.com/faq/alts
20140411 01:02:01 <sgothel> PoS .. transaction 'work' to be done .. powerful machines .. raised difficulty etc ? -> monopoly
20140411 01:02:16 <xranby-64> no powerful machines needed
20140411 01:02:29 <xranby-64> the only risk is ifsomeone owns 51 of all coins
20140411 01:02:38 <sgothel> ah
20140411 01:02:39 <xranby-64> instead of work
20140411 01:02:44 <xranby-64> time * coins
20140411 01:03:06 <xranby-64> when a coin produces a block then the time goes back to 0
20140411 01:03:12 <xranby-64> for thise coins
20140411 01:03:38 <xranby-64> thus the system can be run on mobile phones
20140411 01:03:47 <xranby-64> while the phone sleeps
20140411 01:04:09 <sgothel> the lack of instantaneous transactions of EUR <-> ?? <-> *-Coin .. was what finally made me lost interest, since the time the 'value' is 'in transfer' (wherever .. crypto protocol or .. exchange) is a risk
20140411 01:04:26 <sgothel> at those days .. surely it was the exchange
20140411 01:05:06 <xranby-64> https://www.litebit.eu/en/ there is some startus now like
20140411 01:05:14 <sgothel> good reminder: remove my *coin address from wiki .. maybe I check whether I got something .. haha
20140411 01:05:46 <xranby-64> :)
20140411 01:06:02 <sgothel> ^^ doesn't even show anything w/o javascript
20140411 01:06:08 <xranby-64> oh
20140411 01:06:19 <sgothel> (which is disabled here per default - noscript)
20140411 01:07:07 <xranby-64> it allows you to get them using an EUR SEPA bank account
20140411 01:08:56 <sgothel> all good .. but, no thx .. we like to keep it traditional .. metal and things as investment. if we ever can use that to buy things .. sure will look into this again, but not as an 'investment'
20140411 01:09:26 <sgothel> in the end, currency is a medium .. IMHO
20140411 01:09:33 <xranby-64> sure i can ping you... if it becomes real.. like some country uses it for their national thing
20140411 01:10:20 <sgothel> already hate to circumvent the big players like amazon etc .. hard trying to support locals today :)
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20140411 03:31:38 <sgothel> https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=jogamp.org <- fine tuned, kicked out old browsers, 'almost' FS
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