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20140428 14:54:18 <zubzub> why does jogl expect the jar with the native lib to be in the same directory as the jar that load the native lib?
20140428 14:55:13 <zubzub> http://issues.gradle.org/browse/GRADLE-2553
20140428 15:02:30 <rmk0> zubzub: think this is a consequence of requiring the jars containing the natives to be somewhere deterministic, for applets
20140428 15:02:47 <rmk0> can't be "searching" for jars, because searching implies making new network connections
20140428 15:03:13 <rmk0> is why the maven packages are organized the way they are; to make maven download them into the same directory
20140428 15:03:41 <rmk0> is nasty that gradle would arbitrarily change semantics like this
20140428 15:03:57 <rmk0> downloading separate artifacts from the same package into different directories seems .. broken
20140428 15:06:26 <zubzub> well strictly speaking gradle isn't doing anything wrong
20140428 15:06:32 <rmk0> nope
20140428 15:06:35 <rmk0> just... unexpected
20140428 15:07:08 <rmk0> think the right course of action is to have jogl become less picky about this stuff, but i've no idea how to achieve that
20140428 15:07:15 <zubzub> If I create an app that put's the jars in a different dir but they are still on the classpath then I would expect it to work, no?
20140428 15:07:22 <zubzub> yup
20140428 15:07:37 <zubzub> why isn't it possible to have the native lib extracted from the classpath?
20140428 15:07:46 <rmk0> i did hear sgothel say once that the intention is to not ever have the native jars on the classpath
20140428 15:08:01 <rmk0> i'm not exactly sure why... i don't get any choice but to do that with maven, and it doesn't seem to break anything
20140428 15:08:37 <rmk0> i've no idea what is or isn't possible really... i never touch applets and didn't implement jogl's classloader
20140428 15:08:56 <rmk0> would poke sgothel when he appears next to get details
20140428 15:10:36 <zubzub> k
20140428 15:10:45 <zubzub> sgothel: ^
20140428 15:10:46 <zubzub> :p
20140428 15:12:38 <sgothel> avail. in .. err .. 1-2 hours
20140428 15:12:44 * rmk0 waves
20140428 15:13:08 <sgothel> hi all ..
20140428 15:14:05 <zubzub> I will probably not be available in the coming hours :)
20140428 15:14:13 <zubzub> but my question is in the backlog ;)
20140428 15:16:26 <xranby> hi all,, its almost summer here in sweden, they say snow is incomming.. thus we are all out in the sun while we can
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20140428 18:04:38 <sgothel> Hi Xerxes, I was missing you already (-> email)
20140428 18:04:52 <sgothel> good that you are well .. already worried
20140428 18:05:45 <sgothel> "not ever have the native jars on the classpath" <- reduce work on classloader, which would walk through all JAR files until found
20140428 18:06:33 <sgothel> "If I create an app that put's the jars in a different dir but they are still on the classpath then I would expect it to work, no?" <- we use our own native JAR locator .. would not work
20140428 18:06:54 <sgothel> native jar files also make no sense to be in the classpath (no java classes)
20140428 18:08:09 <sgothel> if you need something custom you may: (1) use one-of-the-many fat-jar approaches / (2) Use a special interface for our native-jar tool (Wade added this ..) to resolve the location .. hmm
20140428 18:09:13 <sgothel> BOF:
20140428 18:09:21 <sgothel> Thank you for submitting a BOF for SIGGRAPH 2014. Your BOF Submission has been approved. You indicated on your form and purchased the preset audio visual package. The day and time that you indicated on your form (Tuesday 1 – 3 pm) is currently booked in the AV room. Below are a few different options for availability in the AV BOF room.
20140428 18:09:45 <sgothel> Options: Sunday: 9am – 1pm; Monday: All day; Tuesday: 9 am – 12:15 pm; Wednesday: All day
20140428 18:14:56 <sgothel> http://s2014.siggraph.org/attendees/birds-feather
20140428 18:15:28 <sgothel> @Xerxes: Will you attend this year ?
20140428 18:15:58 <sgothel> Further more .. I was brainstorming whether SIGGRAPH ASIA would be nice for next year ...
20140428 18:17:43 <sgothel> Tuesday .. conflict w/ http://www.openvdb.org/
20140428 18:20:08 <sgothel> anybody knows what the 'Technical Papers' schedule is ?
20140428 18:24:34 <sgothel> Wednesday, 13 August 11:30 AM - 13:30 AM ?
20140428 18:45:47 <sgothel> I requested avoiding a collision w/ Khronos BOF, if happening this year ..
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20140428 21:44:38 <sgothel> "Khronos group has not yet submitted their content, however they typically go all day on Wednesday (10am-5pm). Knowing that, would you like to go with your Monday option?"
20140428 21:44:50 <sgothel> [2] Monday, 11 August 3:00 PM - 5:00 PM <- picked
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