#jogamp @ irc.freenode.net - 20141114 05:06:28 (UTC)
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20141114 07:32:38 <- *eclesia* good morning
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20141114 07:57:03 <eclesia> good morning
20141114 10:23:35 <xranby> good morning
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20141114 12:29:46 <gouessej> Hi
20141114 12:30:04 <gouessej> xranby1: I need your help
20141114 12:30:13 <xranby1> gouessej: hi
20141114 12:30:19 <xranby1> hope i can help
20141114 12:30:51 <gouessej> xranby1: Do you know in which directory of the JRE the native libraries are when using OpenJDK on GNU Linux with ARM?
20141114 12:31:47 <xranby1> gouessej: the directory layou of jre and jdk have for historical reasons differec
20141114 12:32:11 <gouessej> xranby1: How is it in the JDK then?
20141114 12:32:25 <xranby1> jdk-dir/jre/lib/arm
20141114 12:32:44 <gouessej> xranby1: I expect to find them in jre/lib/amd64 under GNU Linux AMD 64-bit for example
20141114 12:32:56 <gouessej> ok, just "arm"
20141114 12:33:02 <xranby1> yes just arm
20141114 12:33:21 <xranby1> they use the same name for soft-float and hard-float arm
20141114 12:33:48 <xranby1> in jogamp we use gluegen to analyse the java executable to find out if we are running on a soft-float or a hard-float arm
20141114 12:33:48 <gouessej> thank you. I'll improve JNDT to support ARM then. I'm going to drop Java Webstart once for all :)
20141114 12:33:53 <xranby1> system
20141114 12:34:21 <gouessej> yes, I expected something like armel, armv6hf
20141114 12:34:30 <eclesia> jndt ?
20141114 12:34:42 <gouessej> eclesia: My tool
20141114 12:34:48 <eclesia> what's that ?
20141114 12:34:52 <eclesia> alternative to jws ?
20141114 12:34:55 <xranby1> java native deployment tool? :)
20141114 12:35:01 <gouessej> yes
20141114 12:35:08 <gouessej> good name isn't it?
20141114 12:35:44 <gouessej> yes, you click once or twice and it runs your application
20141114 12:35:50 <eclesia> it's somekind of bundle ? zip with special structure + metas/xml description ?
20141114 12:36:21 <gouessej> It supports RPM, DEB, zip, tar.gz, (bz2 soon), MSI later
20141114 12:36:28 <gouessej> APP
20141114 12:36:46 <gouessej> it's already used for TUER
20141114 12:36:48 <eclesia> maven compatible ?
20141114 12:37:05 <gouessej> not yet but you can use Maven to call the Ant script
20141114 12:37:41 <eclesia> it requieres other tools install ?
20141114 12:38:09 <gouessej> yes, a few JARs but it's easy, everything is in one directory
20141114 12:38:45 <eclesia> so we can build an APP for mac, or a deb for linux even if we are on windows ?
20141114 12:38:55 <gouessej> yes
20141114 12:38:57 <eclesia> nice
20141114 12:38:58 <gouessej> :)
20141114 12:39:18 <gouessej> I can build APP for Mac under GNU Linux
20141114 12:39:23 <eclesia> final question : Is it public domain ? :D
20141114 12:39:27 <gouessej> but not yet DMG :(
20141114 12:39:55 <gouessej> lol it's "general public for life", the other meaning of GPL
20141114 12:40:28 <gouessej> the library is within TUER but it can be used separately
20141114 12:41:19 <gouessej> The library used by JNDT use more permissive licences
20141114 12:41:28 <gouessej> but nothing under public domain
20141114 12:42:17 <gouessej> If you need a tool not under a viral license, you can use PackR
20141114 12:42:24 <gouessej> for APP
20141114 12:42:57 <gouessej> but it just makes the directory, you have to make the zip yourself without loosing the file permissions
20141114 12:43:17 <gouessej> and PackR doesn't support arm
20141114 12:43:28 <eclesia> I'll rewrite my own ^^ I'm very close to write a javadoc like tool. packaging was next on my roadmap
20141114 12:43:53 <gouessej> You won't reinvent Redline RPM and JDeb
20141114 12:44:05 <gouessej> they have required years of work
20141114 12:44:13 <gouessej> APP support is perfectly possible
20141114 12:44:18 <gouessej> from scratch
20141114 12:44:21 <eclesia> I will, don't worry ;)
20141114 12:45:03 <gouessej> I'm serious. If you really want to do it, stick on archives and APP support
20141114 12:45:25 <gouessej> it can be done in a few days. The rest is a lot more difficult
20141114 12:46:15 <gouessej> You can perform reverse engineering on some working APP bundle
20141114 12:46:17 <gouessej> s
20141114 12:46:29 <gouessej> and look at Wikipedia for the structure
20141114 12:46:53 <gouessej> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_bundle
20141114 12:47:54 <gouessej> You need to use Apple documentation about info.plist
20141114 12:48:26 <gouessej> eclesia: https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/General/Reference/InfoPlistKeyReference/Articles/AboutInformationPropertyListFiles.html
20141114 12:49:14 <eclesia> thanks, but it's still several months ahead before I start anything for packaging
20141114 12:49:52 <gouessej> eclesia: Ok but now, you have the necessary documents to implement APP support
20141114 12:51:25 <gouessej> xranby1: Are you under Debian now?
20141114 12:51:43 <xranby1> ubuntu 14.04 + debian jessie chroot + debian sid chroot
20141114 12:52:11 <xranby1> today i have been contributing to debian
20141114 12:53:57 <xranby1> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=768682#17
20141114 12:54:12 <gouessej> xranby1: I see your name everywhere
20141114 12:55:02 <xranby1> i need to clone myself
20141114 12:55:13 <gouessej> good idea
20141114 12:55:43 <gouessej> xranby1: I haven't tested my Debian packages, I'm sure the "Section" is wrong but I don't know whether it works
20141114 12:55:57 <gouessej> xranby1: Please can you test one of them?
20141114 12:56:16 <gouessej> xranby1: http://tuer.sourceforge.net/play.php
20141114 12:57:13 <xranby1> is there a goal for the first level?
20141114 12:57:42 <gouessej> xranby1: I haven't fixed that bug yet
20141114 12:58:04 <gouessej> xranby1: there is still no objective, no end :s
20141114 12:58:44 <gouessej> xranby1: I tested the RPM under Mageia and the archive under Windows but I have no Debian or Ubuntu installed
20141114 12:59:12 <xranby1> on my ubuntu system the 64bit deb work
20141114 12:59:32 <xranby1> got installed into /usr/share/tuer/
20141114 12:59:46 <xranby1> running tuer work with gl + audio
20141114 12:59:50 <xranby1> and input
20141114 13:00:06 <gouessej> :)
20141114 13:00:11 <gouessej> Thank you very much
20141114 13:00:12 <xranby1> even installed in the ubuntu app menu
20141114 13:00:26 <gouessej> thanks to the .desktop file :)
20141114 13:00:37 <gouessej> Thank you very much
20141114 13:00:48 <gouessej> Which version of Ubuntu do you use?
20141114 13:00:53 <xranby1> this is 14.04
20141114 13:00:59 <xranby1> the long term support version
20141114 13:01:16 <gouessej> Thank you, I feel good now
20141114 13:01:40 <xranby1> gouessej: awesome.. please add a goal
20141114 13:01:47 <xranby1> so that i can win the revolution
20141114 13:01:53 <xranby1> or is it designed to fail?
20141114 13:01:57 <xranby1> i dont knwo
20141114 13:02:02 <xranby1> at least i can do whatever i like
20141114 13:02:09 <xranby1> inside the tuer universe
20141114 13:02:23 <gouessej> Oracle makes me waste some time because it doesn't like the revolution ;)
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20141114 19:11:08 <jk4> rmk0: what do you want
20141114 19:11:19 <rmk0> herro
20141114 19:11:25 <rmk0> you got a working debian installation?
20141114 19:11:42 <jk4> is it called tuer from the french tuer?
20141114 19:12:07 <rmk0> it is french, that's all i know
20141114 19:12:16 <jk4> i have a debian-class operating system, yes.
20141114 19:15:34 <rmk0> d'you... want to test the .deb packages?
20141114 19:30:53 <jk4> could do. is the test suite a package as well?
20141114 19:31:12 <rmk0> i.. don't know
20141114 19:31:22 <rmk0> is gouessej's program, but he's not here
20141114 19:31:28 <rmk0> he'll probably appear at some point
20141114 19:31:42 <rmk0> i don't know anything beyond trying to install the .deb files and run the program
20141114 19:31:48 <rmk0> i think he's trying to test packaing
20141114 19:31:50 <rmk0> .. packaging
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20141114 19:54:05 <gouessej> jk4: Hi
20141114 19:54:17 <gouessej> jk4: Thank you for your help
20141114 19:54:58 <gouessej> jk4: The Debian packages are available here: http://tuer.sourceforge.net/play.php
20141114 20:09:18 <gouessej> eclesia: This library is under public domain and could be useful for you: http://tukaani.org/xz/java.html
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