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20141201 08:03:08 <eclesia> good morning
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20141201 10:34:40 <rmk0> .o.
20141201 10:36:10 <xranby> good morning, shall we do fosdem 2015 ?
20141201 10:36:37 <xranby> https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2014-October/002050.html [FOSDEM] FreeJava DevRoom - Call for Paper 2015
20141201 10:37:07 <xranby> 1st of December (today) 2014, 23.59 CET - Call For Participation Closes.
20141201 10:37:20 <xranby> ~12h to go
20141201 10:41:35 <zubzub> participation?
20141201 10:43:20 <zubzub> ah giving a talk
20141201 10:43:36 <zubzub> yeah if only my java wayland compositor would be a bit more working
20141201 10:44:14 <zubzub> then perhaps I *might* be able to talk 25min
20141201 10:46:06 <monsieur_max> well, you can try to fill the talk with some little dance
20141201 10:49:28 <xranby> the audience surely like technical advanced dances
20141201 10:49:59 <zubzub> tap dance?
20141201 10:50:08 <xranby> especially if the dance is played with free software spirit
20141201 10:50:24 <zubzub> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mv7OhXYThk
20141201 10:50:34 <xranby> zubzub: we have had live Obe performances in the free java devroom past years
20141201 10:50:44 <xranby> and clarinette
20141201 10:50:53 <zubzub> really?
20141201 10:56:07 <monsieur_max> :) nice
20141201 11:00:39 <xranby> http://vimeo.com/36728751
20141201 11:01:04 <xranby> fast forward 30min into the talk
20141201 11:05:25 <zubzub> nice
20141201 11:07:28 <monsieur_max> great
20141201 11:10:08 <xranby> if you go to 19m into the talk you can see an excellent use of midi
20141201 11:10:19 <xranby> for debugging purposes
20141201 11:10:38 <xranby> using byteman to inject midi playback code depending on what is executed
20141201 11:10:52 <xranby> crazy stuff
20141201 11:13:11 <xranby> makes you able to "hear" background threads working
20141201 11:13:38 <zubzub> what a time to be alive
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20141201 12:31:09 <gouessej> Hi
20141201 12:31:29 <zubzub> heya
20141201 12:31:32 <gouessej> xranby: I assume that we won't go to fosdem next year, will we?
20141201 12:32:01 <xranby> gouessej: i doubt that we will be presenting
20141201 12:32:07 <xranby> but i will most likely attend fosdem
20141201 12:32:31 <gouessej> ok
20141201 12:33:06 <xranby> it all depend on if someone have a pressing need to do a talk and in that case what should the topic be?
20141201 12:33:49 <gouessej> It's too late to make a decision and Sven is busy
20141201 12:34:22 <xranby> fosdem also have open for participation lightnings talks if someone wants to showcase something cool and have it video recorded
20141201 12:36:41 <zubzub> next year I'll probably be able to demonstrate a java wayland compositor with basic functionality
20141201 12:36:53 <zubzub> ie drawing, moving, resizing, input etc
20141201 12:36:59 <zubzub> for now I only have drawing
20141201 12:37:05 <zubzub> (working on writing the input side of things)
20141201 12:37:24 <gouessej> I already participated to the French equivalent of a lightning talk several years ago
20141201 12:38:23 <gouessej> Usually it's possible to register until the end of December
20141201 12:40:18 <gouessej> It's already too late for lightning talks: https://fosdem.org/2015/news/2014-09-19-call-for-participation-part-two/
20141201 12:40:31 <xranby> ok
20141201 12:40:34 <gouessej> "20 November deadline for stands and lightning talks"
20141201 12:41:27 <gouessej> xranby: I will have to update LibGDX in a few weeks or months
20141201 12:41:51 <xranby> gouessej: thank you
20141201 12:42:03 <gouessej> xranby: I have a question for you
20141201 12:42:07 <xranby> gouessej: is it "rebased" on top of the libgdx master?
20141201 12:42:22 <xranby> we should probably clean up the history
20141201 12:42:33 <xranby> so that it only contains the required changes
20141201 12:42:44 <xranby> and remove some old binarys
20141201 12:43:00 <xranby> that can be done using some git rebase commands
20141201 12:43:34 <gouessej> I'd like to get the latest changes without breaking the necessary changes done in the core for JogAmp
20141201 12:44:28 <xranby> when you feel your git tree is ready for use (without git history cleanup) poke me
20141201 12:44:47 <xranby> and i will check and suggest how to best merge your work with the libgdx master
20141201 12:45:02 <gouessej> ok
20141201 12:45:04 <gouessej> thanks
20141201 12:46:53 <xranby> if someone want to do a jogamp talk for fosdem then the requirements is to submit a title + 2 paragraph abstract to distro-pkg-dev
20141201 12:47:10 <xranby> example of the two proposals we sent in last year
20141201 12:47:42 <xranby> https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/java-devroom/2013-December/000064.html - Talk Proposal: Ji Gong: Proposal for High Availability JVM Technology on All Platforms (this one got picked by the fosdem java devroom)
20141201 12:48:32 <xranby> https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/java-devroom/2013-December/000063.html - Talk Proposal: JogAmp Scenarios via GPU: Curvy User Interfaces, Multimedia and Computing (this one has not been presented yet)
20141201 12:49:29 <xranby> you have untill february 2015 to do the actual slides
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20141201 14:06:52 <xranby> "Dear Java Speakers! The deadline is approaching, but since we received a few very nice proposals but not enough to cover the DevRoom schedule, we decided to give everybody a chance and we will extend the deadline one week. We will accept talk proposals until Monday 7th December, 23:59 CET."
20141201 14:32:05 <eclesia> haha a room is always the same price, empty or not ^^
20141201 14:42:51 <xranby> eclesia: would you like to host a unlicense talk?
20141201 14:43:55 <eclesia> I'm not rich enough to pay myself a trip + the various expenses
20141201 14:45:29 <eclesia> and more important : I'm not motivate to do it ^^
20141201 14:46:59 <xranby> how about a jogamp car tour, i drive from sweden and pick you up? :)
20141201 14:47:01 <zubzub> hah, it's only a 40min drive for me!
20141201 14:47:34 <zubzub> too bad brussels is mostly a shithole
20141201 14:47:46 <zubzub> a french speaking shithole
20141201 14:47:52 <xranby> the hackerspace is quite friendly
20141201 14:48:49 <zubzub> yeah, you have to be indoors to enjoy brussels
20141201 14:49:20 <eclesia> zubzub: you are french ?
20141201 14:50:09 <zubzub> asking me if I'm french is like asking an irish person if he's english
20141201 14:50:50 <zubzub> (I'm Belgian, Flemish)
20141201 14:52:46 <xranby> eclesia: do unlicense include a non blocking log view? i would like to have log output rendered faster than java System.out
20141201 14:53:45 <xranby> eclesia: i imagine that you may have some text ui part suitable to put the log messages on
20141201 14:53:59 <xranby> that can consume the messages without blocking
20141201 14:54:11 <eclesia> ha you mean visual
20141201 14:54:24 <xranby> using System.out can take 10ms-100ms depending on the system
20141201 14:55:07 <xranby> which is too long for logging things happening inside a rendering loop taht should finish under 4ms
20141201 14:55:22 <xranby> eclesia: yes i mean something visual
20141201 14:55:42 <eclesia> hm no, it would requiere some work. because my font rendering is a bit slow
20141201 14:57:47 <eclesia> but if you want to improve it, don't hesitate ^^
20141201 14:59:28 <zubzub> you can replace the out and err streams of System in java
20141201 14:59:37 <zubzub> just provide your own non block proxy or something
20141201 14:59:58 <zubzub> or use a decent non blocking logger instead of out/err
20141201 15:02:42 <xranby> eclesia: zubzub: hmm.. i guess i will take a look at Sven's moviecube example code, graph do a good job at rendering information about the playback on the cube in real time
20141201 15:03:16 <xranby> glLogger
20141201 15:03:58 <xranby> zubzub: rewriting system out and err is actually a cool hack
20141201 15:04:22 <zubzub> it is
20141201 15:04:29 <zubzub> I always bring it up when cpp fanboys attack java
20141201 15:05:09 <zubzub> zomg System.out.println is so long!!1!
20141201 15:08:55 <eclesia> well my 'Chars' class is often faster then the java one (String)
20141201 15:11:20 <zubzub> is your chars class immutable?
20141201 15:12:19 <eclesia> it is
20141201 15:12:26 <xranby> Ever thought that final should be the default in Java? Well, you can very easily make that true with this handy javac plugin. https://code.google.com/p/immutablej/
20141201 15:13:15 <zubzub> I just enable it in my ide as an error
20141201 15:13:38 <zubzub> enabling it at compile time is stupid
20141201 15:13:44 <zubzub> it will have no benefit
20141201 15:13:52 <rmk0> yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes and yes
20141201 15:38:08 <zubzub> maybe
20141201 15:51:52 <eclesia> sure about it ?
20141201 15:55:37 <zubzub> maybe yes
20141201 15:55:38 <zubzub> maybe no
20141201 15:55:42 <zubzub> maybe for a 100 zolito
20141201 15:59:11 <zubzub> *zlito
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20141201 21:15:12 <rmk0> and yes
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