#jogamp @ irc.freenode.net - 20150105 05:05:04 (UTC)
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20150105 09:27:44 <eclesia> good morning
20150105 09:27:58 <sgothel> goody
20150105 10:07:57 <zubzub> guud murning
20150105 10:08:47 <zubzub> 00:18 <+sgothel> at least in Germany .. wages are very low compared to competitive .. i.e. 60k vs 120k p.a.
20150105 10:08:53 <zubzub> I make less than 60k/year
20150105 10:08:56 <zubzub> :(
20150105 10:09:06 <zubzub> and I consider myself to be almost a senior
20150105 10:09:17 <zubzub> well compared to people that call themself senior, I'm uber senior
20150105 10:09:57 <zubzub> all benefits included, I guestimate I earn something like 50k
20150105 10:10:08 <zubzub> 100k would be nice though
20150105 10:24:54 <sgothel> +/- 10k .. but that is like EU's wages .. a good guess it was, big gap w/ competitive wages.
20150105 10:26:22 <sgothel> before I moved to Canada in 2005 (my foreign ~5 year experiment in CA + US) .. I could not get a good offer from Volkswagen as a senior, they only mumbled something about union and around 40k ...
20150105 10:27:30 <eclesia> I'm not even at half 60k ...
20150105 10:28:45 <sgothel> they are really milking the cow nowadays in europe. back in DM times .. (<2000) an SW engineer got around 80k DM -> 110k DM p.a.
20150105 10:29:01 <sgothel> considering 1998 DM == 2015 EUR :)
20150105 10:29:09 <sgothel> (^^the year that is)
20150105 10:29:33 <sgothel> maybe the EUR is even less now
20150105 10:31:28 <sgothel> employer market .. oh well
20150105 10:31:45 <sgothel> w/ ttip .. employer/company world :-/
20150105 10:50:00 <monsieur_max> eclesia: you seem experimented and skilled, how come ?
20150105 10:52:04 <eclesia> I don't consider myself underpay. I nearly have the salary of my parents (professors) before retiring.
20150105 10:52:10 <zubzub> I guess eastern europe?
20150105 10:52:25 <eclesia> yeah france is east europe ....
20150105 10:52:29 <sgothel> :)
20150105 10:52:46 <zubzub> well then I guess you calculate your pay different
20150105 10:52:46 <eclesia> fucking taxes
20150105 10:52:46 <zubzub> mine was before taxes
20150105 10:52:54 <zubzub> after taxes I also barely earn 30k
20150105 10:53:17 <zubzub> when people talk about pay, it's usually before taxes...
20150105 10:53:29 <sgothel> quite often it is not about skills .. but negotiation and the field/industry, even though Eclesia seems to work for the 'defense industry' ?
20150105 10:54:05 <sgothel> gross per annum, 'folks' talk about :)
20150105 10:54:05 <eclesia> I always talk without taxes, what you REALLY have at the end is what is important
20150105 10:54:08 <eclesia> with*
20150105 10:54:47 <sgothel> then .. you would need to consider: retirement, health care .. etc etc - I guess we hit rock bottom then :)
20150105 10:57:05 <zubzub> this whole discussion makes me sad
20150105 10:57:11 <zubzub> my wife doesnt want to move
20150105 10:57:37 <zubzub> while I don't mind living in bay area :p
20150105 10:57:47 <sgothel> I spent time in Ontario, Alberta and California - and I have to say - Europe is best for families!
20150105 10:58:15 <sgothel> US .. well, only if you have a guaranteed job or being a millionair :)
20150105 10:58:32 <zubzub> well I guess 100k would be ok
20150105 10:59:11 <sgothel> so I like to send the kids to public school, no need to carry weapons around (yet) .. and no gated community housing :)
20150105 10:59:38 <sgothel> in california .. 100k would / should be the start .. consider the pipe-dream housing prices there .. still
20150105 11:00:07 <sgothel> then private school .. university .. almost like hyperinflation
20150105 11:00:53 <sgothel> and I still hope EU will refrain from war mongering .. regarding politics .. well, I can still dream :)
20150105 11:01:56 <sgothel> maybe one day we can gather a great contract (self employed) from overseas .. or something .. and can work together :)
20150105 11:02:25 <sgothel> (while staying at home, ofc)
20150105 11:31:08 <xranby1> happy new year, back to the work pump!
20150105 11:31:48 <xranby1> sgothel: hi good to see you around, i hope family is well
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20150105 11:32:23 <sgothel> happy .. watching pumped stuff floating down the pipe :)
20150105 11:32:50 <sgothel> thx .. yup, all great - hope your's is fine as well ofc *gong* :)
20150105 11:33:16 <xranby> gong'ing well!
20150105 11:34:51 <xranby> i have anchored up here in sweden for the forseable future
20150105 11:38:15 <sgothel> compensating the location w/ fish oil during the winter month .. we do the same :)
20150105 11:41:17 <xranby> up here we eat Flax/Leinsamen that is also rich of omega 3 fats
20150105 11:41:56 <sgothel> it contains vitamin d as well ?
20150105 11:43:28 <xranby> the Vitamin D i eat is derived from sheep wool
20150105 11:43:58 <sgothel> errr ..
20150105 11:44:35 <xranby> lanolin
20150105 11:45:04 <sgothel> oh .. just know that for the skin
20150105 11:46:10 <xranby> it is possible to manufacture vitamine D derived from lichen
20150105 11:46:18 <xranby> that would be a 100% vegan alternative
20150105 11:46:44 <xranby> i consider lanolin OK, at least we do not need to kill the sheep when we cut of the wool
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20150105 13:33:26 <xranby> sgothel: btw, nvidia allows their GPU driver to force high performance (switching from intel hd4000 to the nvidia gpu) by setting a Microsoft-specific dll extensions to the C language: https://jogamp.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1113
20150105 13:33:31 <xranby> for Nvidia Optimus systems
20150105 13:34:47 <xranby> this is why some jogamp users managed to enable the optimus by loading some other dll that included this before launching jogl
20150105 13:35:44 <xranby> when i see hacks like this turned into the "official" api i say.. gee thank you mesa3d for making the world sane
20150105 13:35:45 <sgothel> yup, however, I don't like to enforce it w/ that exported symbol in a dll
20150105 13:36:03 <sgothel> i.e. user may like to use intel GPU
20150105 13:39:46 <xranby> we could offer a precompiled minimal dll with the symbol set that jogl may load if you want to use the nvidia gpu?
20150105 13:40:11 <xranby> wonder if it is possible to unload the dll and then re-enable the intel gpu
20150105 13:40:35 <sgothel> 'force using the NV GPU' by overriding the user settings (NV application stuff) .. yes, that might be an option for Windows
20150105 13:41:07 <sgothel> I guess that must happen before/at initialization .. once in a JVM lifetime
20150105 13:44:51 <sgothel> applicable OS for 'Dedicated GPU API': Windows + OSX
20150105 14:49:00 <xranby> http://www.alexrad.me/discourse/why-rosyna-cant-take-a-movie-screenshot.html <- gosh... DRM prevention in Intel CPU gone mad
20150105 14:49:19 <xranby> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology <- Intel AMT web page available even when the computer is sleeping.
20150105 14:50:06 <xranby> who knew.. that Intel -co snoop processor even runs a VNC server
20150105 14:50:22 <xranby> https://www.realvnc.com/products/viewerplus/1.1/docs/ag1028488.html
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20150105 19:06:45 <hharrison> sgothel: is there any way to force jogl to use a single xlib display for all contexts? Trying to find a workaround for bug 873 as a fix on the driver side does not seem to be forthcoming
20150105 19:07:15 <hharrison> I know this would block when uploading resources, but it's likely a lot better than getting people to force software rasterizer
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20150105 19:47:59 <Eclesia> Does someone know a syntax/spec/prototype syntax or format which could be used to generate : OpenCL program, Fragment shader or computer shader ?
20150105 19:52:29 <Eclesia> rmk0: can parasol do that ?
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20150105 21:06:02 <rmk0> Eclesia: nope!
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20150105 21:27:59 <zubzub> 23:37 <+sgothel> each window may have one nativewindow Display instance, to ensure thread separation/non-blocking
20150105 21:28:03 <zubzub> 23:37 <+sgothel> a GLWindow has two nativewindow Display instances on X11 ..
20150105 21:28:12 <zubzub> use xcb
20150105 21:28:17 <zubzub> no more blocking
20150105 21:28:20 <zubzub> and thread safety
20150105 21:29:00 <zubzub> actually xlib uses xcb these days
20150105 21:29:13 <zubzub> but still blocks because it's what's expected from xlib
20150105 21:29:24 <zubzub> so you still have the thread safety in xlib
20150105 21:29:36 <zubzub> but still
20150105 21:29:39 <zubzub> use xcb :p
20150105 21:29:45 <zubzub> (and use a single connection)
20150105 21:32:15 <zubzub> for a poc, there are xcb java bindings I made a while ago on github
20150105 21:32:18 <zubzub> xcb4j or something
20150105 21:32:32 <zubzub> it's just dumb swig generated xcb bindings
20150105 21:32:35 <zubzub> but they work
20150105 21:32:42 <zubzub> and since it's jni, it should be fat
20150105 21:32:46 <zubzub> *fast
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20150105 23:07:56 <zzuegg> hmh, cant find a nice way to design an api around the shader uniforms.. i kind of find the gl design strange in that case. a different call for each type.. like why cant i update a vec2 the same way as i would a float[2].. mhmh looks like a switch nightmare
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