#jogamp @ irc.freenode.net - 20150112 05:05:06 (UTC)
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20150112 08:31:00 <eclesia> good morning
20150112 08:31:28 <monsieur_max> hello :)
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20150112 12:26:17 <eclesia> Is it expensible to use variables to send values from one shader to another ?
20150112 12:27:10 <eclesia> for example: I'm calculating the Model matrix in the vertex shader, then send it down the pipeline with 'flat out'
20150112 12:27:30 <eclesia> is that more or less expensive then a uniform ?
20150112 12:27:59 <eclesia> (I suspect it's more expensive, but how much ?)
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20150112 13:21:37 <zubzub> I'd think it's only noticable if you have millions of variables
20150112 13:21:53 <zubzub> disclaimer, I know nothing about how shaders work internally
20150112 13:41:40 <eclesia> zubzub: thanks
20150112 13:43:37 <zubzub> don't thank me, I'm just guessing
20150112 13:43:50 <zubzub> you should ask somebody more knowledgable on this channel :)
20150112 13:48:26 <sgothel> sounds like an impl. detail. 'flat out' I assume you think of a simple var in/out vertex/fragment shader? Something declared 'uniform' might need to be accessible via DMA controller .. - however, me also just guessing.
20150112 13:50:37 <eclesia> I had uniforms before, but since I'm starting to use instancing, the Model matrix is modified in the vertex shader. so I was wondering if this was efficient or not ...
20150112 13:51:16 <sgothel> ofc .. i.e. you skip the memory transfer CPU -> GPU by uniform upload
20150112 13:53:35 <xranby> https://eu2015.lv/images/news/2015_01_11_Joint_statement_of_ministers_for_interrior.pdf <- in response to the paris incident, ministers of EU wants internet censorship
20150112 13:54:11 <sgothel> exploiting the victims - 'great'
20150112 13:54:44 * eclesia is ashame to be french ...
20150112 13:56:38 <monsieur_max> eclesia: that was so predictable ...
20150112 13:56:42 <sgothel> I strongly doubt this has anything to do w/ France (maybe the notion of releasing sanctions against Russia are related, .. who knows)
20150112 13:57:07 <sgothel> me ofc agree that sanctions against Russia should be removed ASAP
20150112 13:57:59 <zubzub> putin should also be removed
20150112 13:58:02 <sgothel> me ashamed to be German, which government just invited Jazenjuk (sic) of Ukraine .. who just revised Russia's role in WW2 .. oh dear :-/
20150112 13:58:53 <sgothel> Germany paying money to such a regime .. 'great'
20150112 13:59:31 * eclesia would like putin to become the french president
20150112 13:59:51 <zubzub> I'd like to become president of putin
20150112 14:00:05 <sgothel> http://www.dw.de/hollande-to-meet-putin-in-surprise-moscow-visit-reports/a-18113463
20150112 14:00:23 <sgothel> http://fortruss.blogspot.mx/2014/12/is-ukraine-preparing-for-nuclear-false.html <- the rumors
20150112 14:00:55 <sgothel> http://www.4thmedia.org/2014/12/terrified-france-warns-russia-of-obama-terror-spectacular/ <- the rumors ..
20150112 14:01:30 <sgothel> no wonder Hollande and Merkel 'suddenly' increased communication after those leaks ..
20150112 14:01:46 <zubzub> https://mh17.correctiv.org/english/
20150112 14:01:48 <zubzub> look
20150112 14:01:52 <zubzub> more rumors
20150112 14:02:16 <zubzub> The investigation unveiled a clear chain of evidence. MH17 was downed by a ground-launched BUK missile – launched by a unit of the 53rd Russian Air Defense Brigade from Kursk
20150112 14:02:24 <zubzub> no wonder Hollande and Merkel 'suddenly' increased communication after those leaks
20150112 14:03:38 <sgothel> well .. I doubt that
20150112 14:04:05 <zubzub> I also doubt the nuclear false flag
20150112 14:04:05 <sgothel> iff there was clear evidence Russia caused that downing of MH17 - the investigation would have released that info ASAP
20150112 14:04:34 <sgothel> (I hope that as well .. ofc (i.e. no nuclear false flag) .. just dumping the rumors)
20150112 14:04:41 <zubzub> well it looiks like in war thruth is always the first victim
20150112 14:04:47 <sgothel> point was, Hollande is chatting close w/ Putin
20150112 14:04:52 <zubzub> so dont believe anything
20150112 14:04:52 <sgothel> yup
20150112 14:04:53 <zubzub> both sides
20150112 14:05:07 <zubzub> putin or russia or west or ukrain
20150112 14:05:27 <zubzub> both lie
20150112 14:05:33 <sgothel> fact is: Ukraine didn't expose all info to the MH17 investigation, and their 'contract' allows them to do so - not transparent.
20150112 14:05:41 <zubzub> neither did russia
20150112 14:05:56 <sgothel> on the contrary ..
20150112 14:06:06 <zubzub> right
20150112 14:06:15 <sgothel> they released the black box and their satelite data
20150112 14:06:35 <zubzub> 15:04 < zubzub> well it looiks like in war thruth is always the first victim
20150112 14:06:42 <zubzub> 15:04 <+sgothel> yup
20150112 14:06:55 <zubzub> 15:05 < zubzub> both lie
20150112 14:07:42 <sgothel> well, also fact is - Ukraine situation was caused by the US + EU
20150112 14:07:59 <zubzub> and russia as well
20150112 14:08:03 <sgothel> http://jausoft.com/blog/2014/07/22/opportunism-economy-and-wars/
20150112 14:08:27 <sgothel> let's say .. they took the chance of _keeping_ Crimea while things got unfolded
20150112 14:08:47 <sgothel> _keeping_ b/c they had long year contracts for their military base
20150112 14:10:04 <zubzub> eh?
20150112 14:10:11 <sgothel> sure, it always depends who is judging .. who's viewpoint .. etc
20150112 14:10:48 <sgothel> Crimea .. once USSR, given to Ukraine, had Russias Navy base .. settled w/ a contract
20150112 14:12:00 <zubzub> yes?
20150112 14:12:24 <sgothel> The UN, EU, US, NATO does accept a referendum iff it is in their favor, see former Yugoslavia ..
20150112 14:12:50 <zubzub> so does russia
20150112 14:12:52 <sgothel> further .. it was a deal that the NATO expansion east wards shall not happen .. but it did
20150112 14:13:17 <zubzub> it was also a deal that russia would protect ukrain after giving up its nuclear weapons
20150112 14:13:26 <sgothel> so this whole Ukraine thing here .. is an act of aggression, if not war, caused by NATO ..
20150112 14:13:40 <zubzub> yet russia invaded crimea
20150112 14:13:59 <zubzub> and held a referendum, in their favor
20150112 14:14:09 <sgothel> lol - it surely was a referendum .. a public vote, not an invasion at all
20150112 14:14:18 <sgothel> the majority on Crimea are 'Russians'
20150112 14:14:37 <zubzub> yet the soil is ukrainian
20150112 14:14:42 <zubzub> 15:10 <+sgothel> Crimea .. once USSR, given to Ukraine, had Russias Navy base .. settled w/ a contract
20150112 14:15:05 <sgothel> well, I laid my viewpoint out in my blog .. w/ references
20150112 14:15:22 <sgothel> bottom line .. all this is an act of war, forced by NATO
20150112 14:15:26 <zubzub> so will russia give back the finish soil it took early WW2?
20150112 14:15:42 <sgothel> started / planned way before the olympic games
20150112 14:16:12 <sgothel> right after the legit Ukraine president refused to sign the exclusive EU deal
20150112 14:16:44 <eclesia> zubzub: looks like you don't appreciate russia , any real reason for that ?
20150112 14:16:50 <sgothel> (yeah sure .. that president was also corrupt .. but who is not there)
20150112 14:16:55 <zubzub> I don't like both sides
20150112 14:17:22 <sgothel> for me .. it's not about 'like', but about 'why instigating a devastating war'
20150112 14:18:02 <sgothel> who suffers besides the thousands east ukraine civilians ?
20150112 14:18:09 <sgothel> the EU
20150112 14:18:37 <zubzub> about everybody involved
20150112 14:18:46 <sgothel> not the US
20150112 14:19:05 <zubzub> trade sactions cut both ways
20150112 14:19:10 <zubzub> always
20150112 14:19:19 <sgothel> Russia is stable, despite the Ruble ... they have more reserves
20150112 14:19:30 <zubzub> right
20150112 14:19:38 <sgothel> haha .. but trade increased w/ US <-> Russia, but that will change soon
20150112 14:19:58 <sgothel> further: RU + Chine and the rest will defunct USD .. etc
20150112 14:19:58 <zubzub> I think we should keep discussing jogl in this channel
20150112 14:20:03 <sgothel> :)
20150112 14:20:14 <zubzub> discussing politics is always a bad idea
20150112 14:20:46 <sgothel> sometimes .. well .. IMHO its fine, we have a tradition having politics here
20150112 14:23:48 <sgothel> (we even have a disclaimer in this regard in our license text :)
20150112 14:24:34 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/git/?p=jogl.git;a=blob;f=LICENSE.txt;h=02d605cd3a6d38100c58904f1f44e9e7f054ac4c;hb=HEAD#l50
20150112 14:24:53 <sgothel> The views and conclusions contained in the software and documentation are those of the
20150112 14:24:53 <sgothel> authors and should not be interpreted as representing official policies, either expressed
20150112 14:24:53 <sgothel> or implied, of JogAmp Community.
20150112 14:28:35 <eclesia> lol
20150112 14:29:21 <sgothel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mon2ygEh3d8 <- Maybe related .. 'Canadian Bacon' :-/
20150112 14:29:39 <sgothel> great contemporary movie .. a must see!
20150112 14:30:29 <sgothel> ^^ the Russian President just left, declining the offer to re-start 'cold war' to revamp the war industry :)
20150112 14:31:47 <sgothel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GrN-QWR704 <- here it is :)
20150112 14:34:32 <zubzub> what a wonderful human being
20150112 14:35:14 <zubzub> I'm sure if offered, any western leader would've been happy to restart the cold war
20150112 14:35:47 <zubzub> but the thing is
20150112 14:35:48 <zubzub> both lie
20150112 14:36:06 <zubzub> both sides
20150112 14:36:33 <zubzub> the only thing you know is that you don't even know half of what you think you know
20150112 14:37:16 <sgothel> right ... one day we or our children might learn the truth
20150112 14:37:24 <zubzub> above antything, it's a propaganda war
20150112 14:37:24 <zubzub> yup
20150112 14:37:51 <sgothel> cold war: H.Res. 758 .. done
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20150112 21:51:16 <zzuegg> mhmh, why has glMultiDrawElements such a strange signature
20150112 21:54:40 <zzuegg> hehe, sources from the test say: "but it's a bitch to setup--so I use DrawElements in a loop instead."
20150112 21:59:36 <rmk0> .(>_<).
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