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20150204 12:22:35 * Topic is 'http://jogamp.org | Hacking 3D Graphics, Multimedia and Processing across Devices | logs: http://jogamp.org/log/irc/?C=M;O=D'
20150204 12:22:35 * Set by rmk0 on 20141110 16:19:10
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20150204 12:23:22 <sgothel> back ..
20150204 12:23:44 <sgothel> @Mark: Well, I harmonized the apk names .. i.e. armeabi -> armv6 APK
20150204 12:23:53 <sgothel> i.e. all use our os.and.arch names now
20150204 12:23:55 <rmk0> ah, right
20150204 12:24:42 <sgothel> @Jiri: Nice talk of yours https://jvanek.fedorapeople.org/fosdem/itwGoesOffline-4014/itwGoesOfflineAndBeyond.pdf
20150204 12:24:45 <sgothel> is there a video?
20150204 12:25:47 <sgothel> will pull in a bit ..
20150204 12:26:05 <sgothel> I realized one of our security checks is hitting on non X11/GLX :)
20150204 12:26:11 <sgothel> will fix that first
20150204 12:26:12 <jvanek> sgothel, ty :)
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20150204 12:26:21 <eclesia> hi
20150204 12:26:24 <jvanek> Everything was recorded.. so soon some wido will be avaible
20150204 12:26:25 <rmk0> lo
20150204 12:26:32 <eclesia> \o/ internet is back
20150204 12:26:33 <sgothel> great
20150204 12:27:52 <jvanek> sgothel, personally, I was really surprised by still so many people interested in javaws and plugin
20150204 12:28:12 <sgothel> http://openjdk.linaro.org/arm32jit/fosdem15.pdf <- ARM32 JIT .. nice as well, looks like we get a fast openjdk for those boards
20150204 12:28:12 <jvanek> During last year I was half giving up and moving it to :dead: technology...
20150204 12:28:22 <jvanek> but appearently it is really far away from being dead!
20150204 12:28:24 <sgothel> yeah
20150204 12:28:38 <sgothel> so as I explained a bit - I cannot make the merge myself
20150204 12:28:47 <sgothel> but if you like the idea - I help and assist
20150204 12:29:01 <jvanek> sgothel, Yy. I already sent you loong email
20150204 12:29:05 <sgothel> the Applet3 stuff is still in JogAmp
20150204 12:29:10 <sgothel> oh .. let me check
20150204 12:29:12 <jvanek> As I'm not sure of how much help I need
20150204 12:29:18 <jvanek> and how much help can you actually give
20150204 12:29:33 <sgothel> found it .. reading
20150204 12:29:37 <jvanek> take your time.
20150204 12:29:43 <jvanek> I dontknow where to start with it:(
20150204 12:30:01 <sgothel> yes .. it's 2 things: refactor + feature
20150204 12:30:22 <sgothel> I 'needed' the refactor to add my stuff easily - and to get an idea of the code
20150204 12:30:26 <jvanek> and adaption of your patch to head
20150204 12:30:39 <jvanek> sgothel, thats clklear
20150204 12:30:48 <jvanek> *thats clear
20150204 12:31:22 <sgothel> ok I will read your email thoroughly today and answer it - then we go by email and solve it
20150204 12:31:34 <jvanek> it would be awesome!
20150204 12:31:35 <sgothel> that means: you do have an interest and you are willing to add this to ITW?
20150204 12:31:48 <jvanek> yes, I'm definitley interested
20150204 12:31:59 <sgothel> in this case I will spend the time - of course! thank you!
20150204 12:32:01 <jvanek> and yes, I would really like to help to merge it to itw
20150204 12:32:25 <jvanek> whatI'm missing is full understending of changeset
20150204 12:32:40 <jvanek> and what I need to avoid is losing the old itw :)
20150204 12:32:48 <sgothel> ofc
20150204 12:32:54 <jvanek> :))
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20150204 22:08:09 <rmk0> http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~jrose/pres/201502-JVMChallenges.pdf
20150204 22:08:22 <rmk0> some stuff in here that might interest... particularly Project Panama
20150204 22:08:58 <rmk0> is basically gluegen on steroids that supports c++, using llvm's clang to do most of the work
20150204 22:09:13 <rmk0> "jextract"
20150204 22:09:25 <rmk0> still experimental according to the presentation
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20150204 22:44:18 <zubzub> http://openjdk.java.net/projects/panama/
20150204 22:44:20 <zubzub> this?
20150204 22:45:46 <rmk0> jextract is being written as part of that, yeah
20150204 22:47:58 <zubzub> link?
20150204 22:48:02 <zubzub> all I get is ibm stuff
20150204 22:48:43 <rmk0> not sure where they're keeping their code, but jextract is referenced in the paper
20150204 22:49:11 <rmk0> http://hg.openjdk.java.net/panama
20150204 22:49:15 <rmk0> guessing it's in there
20150204 23:59:53 <sgothel> thx for sharing - will check whether they do allow static / compile-time code generation (security, performance and the like)
20150205 00:03:17 <sgothel> sounds like lessons learned from GLSL/llvm :)
20150205 00:03:32 <sgothel> i.e. re-use cached compiled code
20150205 00:05:11 <sgothel> in 15 years? I would expect a cross-vm-kit llvm-style in any language direction :)
20150205 00:30:34 <sgothel> so 'Panama' may even become an llvm/clang direct binding .. such a thing would be nice indeed
20150205 00:31:47 <sgothel> but they mention metadata and stuff .. so for our high performance .. GlueGen will still rule for a while I guess :)
20150205 00:35:31 <sgothel> http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~jrose/pres/ <- w/ a 2013 Panama pdf
20150205 00:36:26 <sgothel> http://hg.openjdk.java.net/panama <- contains a folder 'corba' .. brrrr
20150205 00:39:40 <sgothel> java/jvm <-> native data layout compatibility and access: great, if including structures etc .. even though, it will need something like our StructAccessor as well to deal w/ diff. native CPU layout
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20150205 08:26:16 <eclesia> good morning
20150205 08:39:56 <monsieur_max> hello eclesia
20150205 08:57:56 <zubzub> what is the main advantage of gluegen?
20150205 08:58:05 <zubzub> is some kind of jni code generator made easy?
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20150205 10:42:06 <monsieur_max> zubzub: that's how i understood it too
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20150205 13:53:37 <sgothel> @Mark: Will produce maven today, just finished a new aggregated build w/ some fixes
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20150205 14:08:23 <sgothel> grrr - another libav issue ..
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20150205 14:33:43 <rmk0> sgothel: hopefully everything's fine, it wasn't exactly a very involved patch!
20150205 14:35:03 <sgothel> yup .. I will start another build for libav/ffmpeg .. to see the movies :) - then run maven
20150205 14:35:22 <sgothel> the jogl test run quite smooth these days .. < 10 failures
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20150205 15:34:47 <sgothel> Eclipse Luna 4.4.1: after disabling some syntax coloring .. looks good
20150205 15:35:34 <sgothel> it even imports/downloads plugins from previous local/user installation
20150205 15:35:56 <sgothel> and re-uses the preferences .. - this was a PIA w/ earlier updates :)
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20150205 15:49:35 <rmk0> there's a bug with @NonNull annotations that i filed and they fixed, with luna
20150205 15:49:40 <rmk0> still waiting for it to appear in a release
20150205 15:53:59 <zubzub> meh
20150205 15:54:03 <zubzub> <3 intellij
20150205 16:09:19 <monsieur_max> yes, i even manage to renew my old intellij 12 license to 14 for 70€ instead of 120€, just by asking / begging :)
20150205 16:10:45 <sgothel> well, being an all free software project, I can only use free software for the base development ..
20150205 16:11:22 <sgothel> so Eclipse works great for this task
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20150205 16:14:38 <monsieur_max> sgothel: not sure but i think that the community edition of intellij is open source
20150205 16:14:49 <monsieur_max> http://www.jetbrains.org/display/IJOS/FAQ
20150205 16:15:03 <monsieur_max> if you ever want to switch, one day :)
20150205 16:16:58 <monsieur_max> ( it's always a bit of work to change from one ide to another though )
20150205 16:17:11 <sgothel> "professional and fully-featured commercial IDE provided by JetBrains" implying the other version is not .. shivers .. :)
20150205 16:17:40 <sgothel> I understand that one needs a source of income .. well
20150205 16:18:55 <monsieur_max> i can't tell the differences between paid and community edition, never used the community for long and it's been a long time
20150205 16:19:12 <sgothel> Eclipse is more suitable here for me, since many plugins are free software as well .
20150205 16:19:22 <monsieur_max> well yeah, you got a point
20150205 16:19:49 <sgothel> they could just sell a version which is 1:1 (the same) - but allows companies to pay money for it (being ethical :)
20150205 16:20:11 <sgothel> I guess I should do the same .. pay for a jogamp build :)
20150205 16:20:38 <sgothel> for now .. its support driven, and not too bad
20150205 16:21:24 <sgothel> surely looking at other ideas .. but being payed for actual customer work which betters the product in general is good
20150205 16:23:08 <sgothel> Google moved to IntelliJ w/ its Android UI dev kit .. well
20150205 16:23:30 <sgothel> so they wrote their new 'plugin' for it, instead of Eclipse
20150205 16:27:20 <sgothel> Companies should consider paying more for free software if applicable, so those funny 'buy free software' acrobatics are not required :)
20150205 16:29:43 <sgothel> now thinking about a small script generating invoices w/ and w/o VAT .. hmm :)
20150205 16:30:25 <sgothel> which one can put on the server .. if anybody likes to pay, so it gets produced and sent via email
20150205 16:30:45 <sgothel> problem is tax accounting mode, i.e. if accounted before or when money is received
20150205 16:31:07 <sgothel> only the latter mode is suitable here, since not all generated invoices will be payed :)
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20150205 17:11:24 <i-make-robots> anyone awake in here?
20150205 17:11:27 <i-make-robots> sgothel?
20150205 17:11:36 <sgothel> jaja
20150205 17:12:37 <i-make-robots> I haven't succeeded at getting opengl and swing playing nicely together. I want a splitter with opengl on the left and swing gui items on the right. seems OK but resizing the window or the slider makes things go really bad, really fast.
20150205 17:12:58 <sgothel> didn't we have this discussion?
20150205 17:13:21 <sgothel> look at that unit test and its comments within .. something with *Slider* in the name
20150205 17:29:41 <i-make-robots> I couldn't find it :(
20150205 17:30:15 <i-make-robots> or if i did, i wasn't able to make it work.
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20150205 19:27:10 <Eclesia> hi (again)
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20150205 19:59:28 <akumar> hi jogamp i need ur help, i have this problem that i can't debug!!! because when run under the debugger that jogl application runs everytime, but when run normally i only get it to display both swing windows every 1 in 8 tries or so. is there anything i could do to help me figure out where the crash occurs? it crashes after opening the first window which becomes irresponsive and the second never appears. btw using archlinux and nvidia. and it al
20150205 19:59:28 <akumar> ways works on my old laptop with intel card also running archlinux. sorry for the long text i'm really confused!!
20150205 20:27:17 <sgothel> do our demos / unit-test work on your machine?
20150205 20:27:31 <sgothel> a quick test: our test applets
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20150205 20:50:17 <akumar> thx, i will try the demos and unit tests first and then report back
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20150205 21:18:35 * Eclesia nearly finished the mesh navigation map
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20150205 21:38:47 <Eclesia> \o/ works !
20150205 21:39:07 * Eclesia making a video demo
20150205 21:49:32 <Eclesia> tada : http://unlicense.developpez.com/gallery/VID3D_meshnavmap.ogv
20150205 21:49:51 <Eclesia> (ugly video but that's not the important part)
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20150205 22:36:07 <sgothel> camera?
20150205 22:36:21 <sgothel> or instanced VBO?
20150205 22:36:25 <sgothel> (w/ movement)
20150205 23:31:58 <Eclesia> no, constraint movements of the crosshair. it can't move out of the path
20150205 23:32:16 <Eclesia> mesh navigation map
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