#jogamp @ irc.freenode.net - 20150619 05:05:59 (UTC)
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20150619 07:10:03 <elect> hi
20150619 07:26:01 <zubzub> 18:47 <+sgothel> alsa / pulse config .. nightmarish ..
20150619 07:26:07 <zubzub> don't use ubuntu then ;)
20150619 07:26:23 <zubzub> but yeah, sound on linux is not what it should be
20150619 07:26:29 <zubzub> it's ok-ish
20150619 07:26:47 <zubzub> just like X
20150619 07:27:10 <zubzub> package format, sound & display server
20150619 07:27:19 <zubzub> if they could make a unified kick-ass implementation for those 3
20150619 07:27:30 <zubzub> linux would > all other OS's
20150619 07:27:51 <zubzub> so far only the display server is getting fixed
20150619 07:28:51 <sgothel> ^^ Debian .. they also use pulseaudio per default
20150619 07:29:08 <zubzub> D:
20150619 07:29:17 <zubzub> I understand why they do that
20150619 07:29:27 <zubzub> but pulse audio is more of a crutch imho
20150619 07:29:42 <sgothel> and now also systemd .. similar *bs* factor - but hey, good morning :)
20150619 07:30:02 <zubzub> actually I'm not against systemd
20150619 07:30:46 <zubzub> if it can become the per default dominant init system on linux, the better
20150619 07:31:13 <zubzub> that will make it easier for 3rd party suppliers to target linux
20150619 07:31:38 <elect> zubzub, I lolled at ok-ish
20150619 07:32:07 <sgothel> well, maybe its 'just me' (but not really) .. I am an old guy who loved to be able to cook my own soup w/ separate posix like tools ..
20150619 07:32:31 <zubzub> I see a lot of hate for systemd all around but most if it doesn't seem really founded
20150619 07:32:32 <sgothel> now .. systemd and friends are cooking one big cake for one OS
20150619 07:33:00 <zubzub> just like linux is one big monolithic kernel
20150619 07:33:21 <sgothel> swallow a subsystem (like network-config) .. which was usable on its own .. etc etc
20150619 07:33:56 <sgothel> well .. if linux will implement GL - then it would be comparable :)
20150619 07:34:09 <zubzub> I think time will point out how bad it will be with systemd
20150619 07:34:10 <sgothel> but it just implements one memory managment interface ..
20150619 07:34:13 <zubzub> I think it will turn out ok
20150619 07:34:45 <sgothel> for the one use-case (linux, boot state-less) sure - but there are many others
20150619 07:36:26 <sgothel> i.e. Debian has now no more a unified system for diff. kernels (freebsd, linux, ..) - since the init system won't allow a 1:1 transition, just one example
20150619 07:38:09 <sgothel> it would be like, as if OpenBSD team changes OpenSSH in a way, where it is only useful for OpenBSD anymore. But hey, you can fork/branch .. sure :)
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20150619 08:53:01 <eclesia> hi
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