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20160217 08:28:05 <zubzub> 17:49 < rmk0> i expect i could, but i don't yet know how to use gluegen
20160217 08:28:07 <zubzub> I do
20160217 08:28:25 <zubzub> but I have about #86329465 things on my TODO list
20160217 08:28:38 <zubzub> and have full time job, a young kid, a house, a wife and a social life
20160217 08:28:53 <elect> you bloody
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20160217 08:29:08 <zubzub> gluegen is actually rather simple
20160217 08:29:21 <elect> I always though jogl was n.1 on the list
20160217 08:29:25 <zubzub> the difficult part is weather you want to incorporate it with jogl
20160217 08:29:42 <zubzub> *whether
20160217 08:30:26 <monsieur_max> zubzub: congrats on still being able to do computer things, most men i know are totally giving up after having the kids/wife/house combo
20160217 08:31:19 <zubzub> I know
20160217 08:31:20 <elect> giving up on kids/wifi/house or on computer things?
20160217 08:31:31 <zubzub> monsieur_max: I compensate by sleeping less
20160217 08:31:33 <elect> ^^
20160217 08:31:39 <zubzub> about 5 hours /night
20160217 08:31:46 <elect> I couldnt do that
20160217 08:31:53 <zubzub> yeah it's quite tiresome
20160217 08:32:51 <zubzub> the things I could get done if I could work full time on cool things...
20160217 08:33:46 <zubzub> wayland for jogl, gluegen vulcan bindings, javafx on wayland, jogl javafx incorporation, docker jni cross compilation build plugin...
20160217 08:34:42 <monsieur_max> zubzub: you're my hero
20160217 08:34:43 <elect> may I ask if your job is related to this things?
20160217 08:36:07 <zubzub> not really
20160217 08:36:27 <monsieur_max> so mysterious
20160217 08:36:31 <zubzub> I work on an osgi app that runs on public transport validators and bus driver touchscreen interfaces
20160217 08:38:10 <zubzub> http://delijn.prezly.com/2-700-bussen-en-210-trams-uitgerust-met-nieuw-ticketingsysteem-en-boordcomputer
20160217 08:38:15 <zubzub> it's in dutch
20160217 08:38:19 <zubzub> bid the pic is the validator device
20160217 08:38:51 <elect> nice
20160217 08:39:16 <elect> which is the tecnology behind the transmission?
20160217 08:39:31 <monsieur_max> cool stuff
20160217 08:39:40 <zubzub> 3g for connecting
20160217 08:39:44 <zubzub> our own messaging protocol
20160217 08:39:52 <zubzub> over https
20160217 08:39:54 <elect> and for the card? rfir?
20160217 08:39:58 <zubzub> nfc
20160217 08:39:59 <elect> d
20160217 08:40:02 <zubzub> yeah
20160217 08:40:10 <zubzub> mobib
20160217 08:40:23 <elect> so also smartphone?
20160217 08:40:42 <elect> have you did the app as well?
20160217 08:40:46 <zubzub> not yet
20160217 08:40:48 <zubzub> but that's the plan
20160217 08:41:00 <zubzub> emv is also in the works (wireless credit card)
20160217 08:41:03 <elect> is it already in use or still prototyp?
20160217 08:42:03 <elect> I guess it should be somehow used, no? It says 2700 bus
20160217 08:42:17 <zubzub> yeah it's in limited use
20160217 08:42:37 <zubzub> it's already deployed but still in some kind of public beta :p
20160217 08:43:04 <zubzub> this summer should have a wide scale public use
20160217 08:43:25 <zubzub> but this project is a nice example of something that could have been so incredibly nice
20160217 08:43:54 <zubzub> but was f*cked up by goverment customer and incompetent people working on it...
20160217 08:45:04 <zubzub> the sad part is every recommendation that I made 3 years ago
20160217 08:45:08 <zubzub> was ignored
20160217 08:45:16 <zubzub> and is now being put on the road map...
20160217 08:45:31 <zubzub> meaning we have to transition/refactor/rewrite
20160217 08:45:41 <zubzub> which is much harder than doing it right from the start
20160217 08:45:48 <zubzub> *sad*
20160217 08:48:28 <elect> I can image
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20160217 10:38:23 <rmk0> .o.
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20160217 10:54:44 <rmk0> don't think there's really any reason to integrate vulkan bindings with jogl
20160217 10:56:46 <elect> why?
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20160217 10:57:07 <elect> because no1 is gonna use vulkan in java?
20160217 10:58:02 <rmk0> i mean that they probably could/should be a separate package with no overlap
20160217 10:58:40 <zubzub> what about the underlying windowing api?
20160217 10:59:17 <rmk0> i don't really consider that part of jogl
20160217 10:59:48 <rmk0> would still need NEWT or something like it
20160217 11:16:59 <rmk0> ugh, having filtering problems
20160217 11:17:34 <rmk0> this nvidia paper claims that a bilateral filter can't usually be split up into a separate horizontal and vertical pass
20160217 11:17:47 <rmk0> and then they do it anyway, and don't explain how they fixed the problem of doing it
20160217 11:17:52 <rmk0> or if they even did fix it
20160217 11:17:53 <elect> :D
20160217 11:18:15 <elect> contact directly the authors
20160217 11:18:31 <elect> I did a couple of times and they were prompty to reply and help
20160217 11:18:38 <rmk0> hm!
20160217 11:19:20 <elect> you can start approching them by twitter
20160217 11:21:58 <xranby> JOVulkan
20160217 11:22:08 <xranby> JVulkan
20160217 11:22:26 <xranby> powered by gluegen
20160217 11:22:45 <rmk0> ... just worked out the filtering problems
20160217 11:29:56 <zubzub> Zulkan powered by zubzub
20160217 11:31:01 <rmk0> hehe
20160217 11:39:06 <xranby> zubzub: :)
20160217 11:39:35 <xranby> Wulkan
20160217 11:39:39 <xranby> powered by wayland
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20160217 11:46:32 <zubzub> xranby: vulkan already works on wayland
20160217 11:46:57 <zubzub> at least in weston the reference compositor
20160217 11:47:49 <rmk0> zubzub: you using wayland day-to-day?
20160217 11:47:52 <rmk0> haven't tried it yet
20160217 11:47:57 <zubzub> https://plus.google.com/+DanielStone/posts/iwL2oN5VPQa
20160217 11:48:05 <zubzub> rmk0: no
20160217 11:48:16 <zubzub> the only way to really use it day to day is with gnome3
20160217 11:48:41 <rmk0> /o\
20160217 11:48:47 <zubzub> which should be default in whatever fedora that comes next
20160217 11:48:56 <zubzub> kde is a bit behind
20160217 11:49:00 <zubzub> you can also use e17
20160217 11:49:06 <zubzub> that one also has full wayland support
20160217 11:49:20 <zubzub> or you can try it out in X :)
20160217 11:49:24 <zubzub> with weston
20160217 11:49:30 <zubzub> probably in your linux distro
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20160217 11:51:58 * rmk0 eyes weston
20160217 11:53:42 <zubzub> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FjuPn7MXMs
20160217 11:54:14 <rmk0> hehe
20160217 11:54:44 <zubzub> now imagine that with VR glasses
20160217 11:55:18 <rmk0> neuromancer
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