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20160511 07:31:38 <Eclesia> hi
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20160511 07:44:18 <monsieur_max> hello
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20160511 08:01:54 <elect> hi
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20160511 13:02:30 <elect> I tried to unity all the dudes playing with a java porting of openvr
20160511 13:02:32 <elect> https://github.com/jovr/jopenvr
20160511 13:02:58 <zubzub> did you succeed?
20160511 13:03:26 <zubzub> or were they all like: "I'm not interested in politics, send pull requests if you want" :p
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20160511 13:13:58 <elect> two guys got in
20160511 13:14:21 <elect> jherico, who is famous for being the one who wrote the oculus binding is currently busy with a startup
20160511 13:14:34 <elect> and another one didn't reply
20160511 13:14:37 <elect> 50%
20160511 13:14:40 <elect> not bad ^^
20160511 13:14:50 <zubzub> :p
20160511 13:15:14 <elect> you may also want to take in account the possibility to create an organization
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20160511 18:43:34 * Eclesia *pom pom pom*
20160511 18:44:46 <caelum19> Anyone here know what to do on the outdoor level of TUER?
20160511 18:44:49 <caelum19> I think it's bugged
20160511 18:45:30 <Eclesia> I think gouessej is the only one who can answer that
20160511 18:46:09 <caelum19> Probably, but surely he's not the only person to have played it?
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20160511 18:46:47 <Eclesia> I know about the game, but not much more sorry
20160511 18:46:58 <caelum19> No bother, thanks anyway :)
20160511 18:47:14 <caelum19> Do you know anything about Jogamp's Ardor3D ?
20160511 18:48:23 <Eclesia> gouessej is in charge of it. I used the engine about 5years ago
20160511 18:48:50 <Eclesia> made a PMD decoder for it when at this time
20160511 18:49:54 <Eclesia> the project do not evolve anymore I think (maybe I'm wrong, again gouessej is the one you should ask)
20160511 18:50:30 <Eclesia> you use it ?
20160511 18:50:54 <caelum19> Nice. I have a relatively newb question about it, maybe your knowledge is still relevant; How come I can run the examples in the same project as all it's modules, but when I copy the examples into another project and import Ardor3D as a library I get an error
20160511 18:51:08 <caelum19> Yeah I'm making a higher-level engine with it
20160511 18:51:35 <caelum19> with my own model format to compete with .fbx which I think gouessej might approve of
20160511 18:51:50 <Eclesia> interesting
20160511 18:52:02 <Eclesia> if you have the exception message that would help
20160511 18:52:21 <caelum19> java.lang.NoSuchFieldError: DEBUG_STATS_FORNAME
20160511 18:52:59 <Eclesia> looks like you mixed different version of a lib
20160511 18:53:30 <caelum19> Would I get a different message if the libs were missing altogther?
20160511 18:53:54 <Eclesia> yes a NoSuchClassError likely
20160511 18:54:25 <caelum19> Interesting, you've opened up some areas for debugging, thanks
20160511 18:54:43 <caelum19> So what do you do these days?
20160511 18:55:04 <Eclesia> if you use netbeans, you can open the pom.xml, and at the top use 'show graph'. if there are conflicts they will be displayed in red
20160511 18:56:30 <Eclesia> (Auto-promotion:ON) I'm doing the same thing I've been doing for the last 3 years : http://unlicense.developpez.com
20160511 18:58:49 <caelum19> Awesome! that is *very* cool
20160511 18:59:06 <caelum19> I was planning on making my engine public domain actually
20160511 18:59:14 <caelum19> right now I have dinner to eat though
20160511 20:02:50 <caelum19> UN-widget editor looks very cool, at a glance it looks like JavaFX SceneBuilder but better
20160511 20:04:33 <Eclesia> still far from it
20160511 20:05:41 <caelum19> Are there compiled jars of these projects anywhere?
20160511 20:06:26 <Eclesia> no, you have to build it yourself
20160511 20:13:17 <Eclesia> caelum19: your engine is available somewhere ?
20160511 20:31:34 <caelum19> Currently not, I'm the only person who's been working on it and so haven't been bothered with VCS(Bad practice, I know :P)
20160511 20:32:12 <caelum19> Also I've been working on it since I was 14 so I'd like to give it a clean up before I show it to anyone haha
20160511 20:34:13 <caelum19> I was originally using just JOGL but Ardor3D looks like it will save me a lot of effort
20160511 20:36:58 <caelum19> other higher-level engines don't have the things I want(as far as I'm aware), I wanted an engine with a networked ECS model, with infinite worlds and MMO capability
20160511 20:37:08 <Eclesia> I suggest you stay on jogl or use another engine with a community (such as JMonkeyEngine)
20160511 20:37:39 <caelum19> What's wrong with Ardor3D?
20160511 20:39:28 <Eclesia> Ardor3D isn't really moving, gouessej is doing what he can but unfortunatly I don't think it will be enough to revive it
20160511 20:41:53 <caelum19> Is your concern that it won't stay up to date with OpenGL and other technologies?
20160511 20:42:04 <caelum19> It seems 'complete' in it's current state to me
20160511 20:47:16 <Eclesia> I'm just saying out loud my doubts. your project, your decision.
20160511 20:47:54 <monsieur_max> Eclesia: typical french, ranting about everything !
20160511 20:48:13 <Eclesia> monsieur_max: aren't you french too ? XD
20160511 20:48:43 <monsieur_max> ;) yeah those damn french ! ah ranting again
20160511 20:48:44 <caelum19> hahaha
20160511 20:48:59 <caelum19> I appreciate your doubts and wisdom. I'm just trying to fully understand :)
20160511 20:50:55 <Eclesia> monsieur_max: http://unlicense.developpez.com/temporaire/hdglyph.png \o/
20160511 20:51:08 <caelum19> My friend almost described herself as a "French weeaboo"
20160511 20:51:22 <Eclesia> weeaboo ?
20160511 20:51:34 <monsieur_max> Eclesia: "male gamer" symbol ?
20160511 20:51:41 <caelum19> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Weeaboo
20160511 20:51:49 <caelum19> haha monsieur_max
20160511 20:52:25 <monsieur_max> Eclesia: nice curves ... the glyph, i mean
20160511 20:52:59 <monsieur_max> caelum19: she tries to use french words even though she does not really know how to ?
20160511 20:53:02 <caelum19> If that's a male gamer synbol, does that mean you appreciate male curves?
20160511 20:53:38 <monsieur_max> caelum19: the only male curves i have access to are mine and i don't like them ;)
20160511 20:54:10 <caelum19> The sterotype is more someone who is just obsessed with Japaneese culture, they're often bad at the language but not always
20160511 20:54:19 <Eclesia> monsieur_max: same here, french food comes with curves
20160511 20:54:22 <caelum19> She happens to be very good at french
20160511 20:55:03 <monsieur_max> Eclesia: developer life too ;)
20160511 20:55:33 <monsieur_max> caelum19: congratulations to her :) That requires dedication.
20160511 20:56:15 <caelum19> Did it take much dedication for you guys to learn English?
20160511 20:56:27 <caelum19> You've got very good english by the way
20160511 20:57:03 <Eclesia> I'm a GIS specialist, I'm supposed to go outside take measures, tracks ... damn those satellites, it's only computer work ourdays :(
20160511 20:57:28 <monsieur_max> Eclesia: oh the missed oppertunities of hiking everywhere
20160511 20:58:15 <monsieur_max> caelum19: developers need to have a rather good level of english :) part of the job
20160511 20:59:24 <caelum19> Ahh, I forgot about the bit where English dominates programming
20160511 21:00:06 <caelum19> Imagine if the Arabians were the first to the scene
20160511 21:00:32 <Eclesia> and military and economy, but that's not going to last much longer ^^ the end of english supremacy
20160511 21:00:57 <caelum19> haha
20160511 21:02:02 <monsieur_max> we just need to put a french king to rule England , those were the good old days
20160511 21:02:22 <caelum19> Problem is England doesn't rule English anymore
20160511 21:02:42 <Eclesia> 'Murica
20160511 21:02:56 <caelum19> infact American English is more English than regular English, because regular English is more diluted- um I mean influenced by other european languages
20160511 21:03:48 <Eclesia> best english and french are in old colonial territories.
20160511 21:06:23 <caelum19> Are you people French french or Canadian French?
20160511 21:07:06 <Eclesia> born in france, 17years in various countries, and back in from the last 12years
20160511 21:07:07 <monsieur_max> actual french from france, and as a matter of fact, Eclesia and I are living in the same location
20160511 21:08:02 <caelum19> so you're siamese twins?
20160511 21:08:04 <caelum19> :P
20160511 21:08:17 <Eclesia> more like a stalker, helppp
20160511 21:08:24 <monsieur_max> fortunately, no
20160511 21:08:28 <Eclesia> ^^
20160511 21:08:37 <caelum19> hahaha
20160511 21:09:03 <caelum19> I'm actually Irish myself
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20160511 21:09:35 <monsieur_max> http://blog.takipi.com/the-top-100-java-libraries-in-2016-after-analyzing-47251-dependencies/ < jogamp is not there :(
20160511 21:10:01 <Eclesia> neither mine :(
20160511 21:10:07 <caelum19> JogAmp is more a library for library makers
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20160511 21:10:44 <monsieur_max> yeah
20160511 21:10:52 <caelum19> I think these sorts of middleware don't get enough praise considering how much they contribute to society
20160511 21:12:11 <monsieur_max> true
20160511 21:14:37 <caelum19> Recommended desktop IRC client?
20160511 21:14:46 <Eclesia> pidgin
20160511 21:15:40 <monsieur_max> pidgin too
20160511 21:16:10 <caelum19> Look cool, getting
20160511 21:16:25 <caelum19> thanks
20160511 21:20:08 <monsieur_max> good night people
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20160511 21:20:19 <caelum19> good night
20160511 21:20:43 <caelum19> Isn't it like only 11PM in France?
20160511 21:23:32 <Eclesia> yes
20160511 21:26:44 <Eclesia> going offline too +++
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20160511 21:28:14 <caelum19> bye
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