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20160809 06:19:47 <monsieur_max> salut
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20160809 06:35:26 <elect> hi
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20160809 08:29:27 <Eclesia> ho
20160809 08:30:19 <monsieur_max> took a look at the 2016 commits for jogl in github... can't really say it's full of life ...
20160809 08:37:28 <Eclesia> monsieur_max: I know, if by christmas it does not come back from the deads I'll have to move on to another gl lib :/
20160809 08:38:59 <monsieur_max> Eclesia: shame ... ah sorry , i meant "same"
20160809 08:40:18 <Eclesia> shame too :(
20160809 08:41:34 <xranby> hello
20160809 08:41:37 <zubzub> s(h)ame
20160809 08:41:53 <monsieur_max> Eclesia: For the fun, I tested if i was able to run the hello world of Monogame on a liux desktop using Project Rider, it was working :)
20160809 08:41:57 <zubzub> hi xranby
20160809 08:42:05 <monsieur_max> hello xranby
20160809 08:44:10 <xranby> i have talked with sgothel andwe need to make sure that the jogamp organisation is more distributed so that more people can initialize the builds and manage the build farm. possibly we need to found a foundation to make it easier to have people working for jogamp'
20160809 08:47:24 <Eclesia> apache ?
20160809 08:47:38 <Eclesia> it would make jogl more 'official'
20160809 08:48:27 <xranby> the general idea is to have a new foundation, thus not reusing apache or eclipse
20160809 08:52:04 <zubzub> what's the benefit?
20160809 08:52:21 <zubzub> new organisatin great but why?
20160809 08:52:50 <xranby> in my view, apache focuses mostly on server side of thnigs
20160809 08:53:48 <xranby> a jogmp foundation can target the need to fix both opensource drivers and the binding to java thus a mote holistic view on hardware acceleration
20160809 08:53:53 <xranby> more
20160809 08:55:49 <elect> there is only a problem
20160809 08:56:12 <elect> the more time it takes, the fewer will be there available to join this new organization
20160809 08:56:56 <elect> to stem the user loss, it is important that we/you declare clearly what is going on
20160809 08:57:18 <elect> so that users are aware jogl is not dead but is going through a process
20160809 08:57:49 <Eclesia> elect: +1
20160809 08:57:54 <elect> <3
20160809 08:58:48 <elect> I think some of you, sven, xranby or julien should write a thread on the forum about this
20160809 08:58:54 <elect> or write it on the website
20160809 08:59:10 <monsieur_max> well, yes it's important to know if enough worthy people will be able to join and give back a little life into jogamp
20160809 09:00:16 <monsieur_max> I honestly have no clue on how much people are contributing to jogamp and even less on how many people have the willing and the skill to contribute in the future
20160809 09:00:35 <elect> I can contribute
20160809 09:00:43 <elect> I wrote a lot of tutorials
20160809 09:00:45 <monsieur_max> ( for the record, I don't consider myself as worthy :) i'm a user, not a contributor )
20160809 09:00:45 <elect> and porting
20160809 09:00:53 <elect> I am also available to update the forum
20160809 09:01:01 <monsieur_max> elect: yeah obviously :)
20160809 09:02:01 <elect> monsieur_max, there are many way you may contribute
20160809 09:02:01 * xranby is browsing the bugzilla, there should be a bug (roadmap)
20160809 09:02:15 <elect> and using jogl in your game is one of those
20160809 09:02:39 <monsieur_max> elect: well, i only bother people here on non-existing bugs ;)
20160809 09:03:21 <elect> and at very least one can contribute by donating something to keep up server and all the fees that needs to be paid
20160809 09:03:47 <elect> but we have to offer ways in order people can contribute
20160809 09:03:55 <elect> otherwise it's all useless
20160809 09:04:38 <xranby> the way jogamp has been funded up to date is by people hire jogamp to implement new features
20160809 09:05:21 <elect> for example, I may already fix a couple of bugs I found
20160809 09:05:30 <elect> I already committed them since long time
20160809 09:05:45 <elect> but there is no1 on the other side to receive/evaluate those commits
20160809 09:06:07 <elect> https://github.com/sgothel/jogl/pulls
20160809 09:06:32 <elect> github already offers the possibility to have an organization
20160809 09:07:11 <elect> I believe that's the fastest way to get a first step in the organization direction
20160809 09:07:22 <elect> it doesnt have to be definitive
20160809 09:08:22 <elect> but I think is our best shoot at the moment to have something transitioning between the current stagnant situation and the future
20160809 09:09:00 <elect> I push so much because I invested so much in jogamp
20160809 09:09:49 <elect> and looking it dieing is not something I like
20160809 09:10:24 <bruce-> what is sgothel up to these days?
20160809 09:12:14 <xranby> bruce-: sgothel is available by phone and email.
20160809 09:14:12 <xranby> he have distanced himself from realtime chats and forum to free up time and not getting burned out. the janitor role of jogamp has to be distributed
20160809 09:15:57 <monsieur_max> that's totally understandable
20160809 09:16:08 <zubzub> 10:52 < xranby> in my view, apache focuses mostly on server side of thnigs
20160809 09:16:14 <zubzub> apache has lots of ui projects too
20160809 09:17:17 <rmk0> submitting jogl to the apache foundation might not be the worst approach in the world
20160809 09:17:23 <zubzub> I'm afraid that the resources needed to start/fund and have a organisation running will take up a lot of resources
20160809 09:17:36 <zubzub> unless ofcourse it's a business model
20160809 09:17:42 <zubzub> and you want/need independence
20160809 09:31:53 * Eclesia can't help much
20160809 09:44:52 <xranby> what is happening now without a new foundation is that i am reading up on jogamp scripting and preparing a new build server to build jogamp for gnu/linux aarch64
20160809 10:02:19 <zubzub> xranby: fyi I have docker containers to cross compile jni code
20160809 10:02:25 <zubzub> including aarch64
20160809 10:02:49 <xranby> zubzub: have you tested to cross compile jogamp using such a container?
20160809 10:02:53 <zubzub> yes
20160809 10:03:00 <zubzub> for armv7hf and armv6sf (rpi)
20160809 10:03:01 <zubzub> and it works
20160809 10:03:12 <zubzub> I don't have the hw for the others
20160809 10:03:17 <zubzub> so I can't tell if they work
20160809 10:03:31 <xranby> zubzub: i have a board, if you have binarys i can tell if they work
20160809 10:03:42 <xranby> i think aarch is suppored by the sourcecode without modifications
20160809 10:04:15 <xranby> i have a dragonboard-410c setup using the fredreeno mesa3d gpu drivers https://developer.qualcomm.com/hardware/dragonboard-410c
20160809 10:05:09 <xranby> zubzub: actually... aarch is supported at runtime.. however i think i filed some patch to actually build it
20160809 10:06:23 <xranby> https://jogamp.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1295
20160809 10:07:50 <xranby> only changed build scripts
20160809 10:09:33 <zubzub> the only binary I have is from my java wayland compositor
20160809 10:09:54 <zubzub> now with working drm/kms and tty switching! :p
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20160809 12:37:05 <xranby> yesterday i baked this: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpZpWVCWIAA434U.jpg
20160809 12:37:54 <xranby> Bake at 210°C 10min in the oven. Let it cool down. Keep room well ventilated.
20160809 12:39:34 <xranby> Fixed issues with a faulty ram module on a GTX 570: symptoms white horisontal lines at bios bootup and system freeze during system startup.
20160809 12:39:55 <rmk0> hah!
20160809 12:39:59 <rmk0> how's that work?
20160809 12:40:09 <xranby> good! working fine now
20160809 12:40:26 <rmk0> hehe, i mean... "how does putting the card in the oven fix something?"
20160809 12:40:33 <xranby> it does a reflow of the solder
20160809 12:40:37 <rmk0> ah, nice
20160809 12:40:49 <rmk0> i imagine you don't want to go inhaling whatever comes out of the oven
20160809 12:41:17 <xranby> a professional reflow oven tries to create a peak around 210 to 225 *C for about 15 seconds
20160809 12:41:40 <xranby> yes, the smell is not so good
20160809 12:41:49 <xranby> keep the room ventilated
20160809 12:44:34 <xranby> the main idea is to keep the card in the reflow zone above 180*C for about 60 sec with a peak above 210*C
20160809 12:45:08 <xranby> you can hear some cracle and pops when the reflow happens
20160809 12:45:14 <rmk0> you're braver than i am
20160809 12:46:24 <monsieur_max> I was hoping for a swedish specialty ...
20160809 12:49:45 <xranby> rmk0: yes its a no return after you peel of the waranty void label to expose some of the screws that locks the heatsink to the GPU board
20160809 12:50:14 <rmk0> devious label placement
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20160809 18:31:45 <Eclesia> so ... we still don't really know what will happen to jogamp beside a fuzzy plan to make a foundation
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20160809 19:21:38 <monsieur_max> Eclesia: at least, they know there's an issue :)
20160809 19:27:08 <Eclesia> monsieur_max: I can also understand it's hard to keep it up years after years with only one or two devs.
20160809 19:29:52 <monsieur_max> totally
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