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20151005 07:05:23 <monsieur_max> hello
20151005 07:09:54 <elect> hi
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20151005 07:28:19 <eclesia> good morning
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20151005 10:02:36 <guillaum1> hey
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20151005 10:26:57 <xranby_f22> good morning
20151005 10:28:45 <xranby_f22> according to the live stream from the USTR, the press conference where ministers from countrys around the pacific ocean, will resume in 3h.. only 3 computers who still have the link open can see the press conference. :/
20151005 10:29:03 <xranby_f22> the ministers will then sign the TPP "trade" agreement
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20151005 11:29:24 <elect> the tpp is the brother of the ttip, isn't?
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20151005 11:37:41 <zubzub> yeah
20151005 11:37:46 <zubzub> just the ttip
20151005 11:39:05 <xranby> The live feed is open for the public again: https://ustr.gov/TPP/Atlanta-Livestream
20151005 11:39:55 <xranby> 1h 20 min.. to go
20151005 11:40:58 <monsieur_max> zubzub: ( i laughed )
20151005 11:41:24 <eclesia> shame on the usa
20151005 11:41:34 <eclesia> modern slavery
20151005 11:41:54 <xranby> indeed, the afrcan countrys have already signed a similar "deal"
20151005 11:42:22 <xranby> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbyndE3ZTqU <- july 31 2015 Trans-Pacific Partnership Maui Ministerial Press Conference
20151005 11:42:41 <xranby> this time they will ensnare the countrys around the pacific ocean
20151005 11:42:50 <xranby> next time it europe
20151005 11:43:49 <xranby> sorry wrong link
20151005 11:43:55 <xranby> the signing took place here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPCWgbY_5qQ
20151005 11:44:03 <xranby> U.S.- East African Community Cooperation Agreement Signing
20151005 11:44:17 <xranby> February 26, 2015
20151005 11:50:28 <xranby> i guess they learned to disable comments on future youtube live feeds
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20151005 12:35:14 <xranby> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/06/business/trans-pacific-partnership-trade-deal-is-reached.html
20151005 12:36:10 <xranby> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3KBpGE1VLs
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20151005 13:17:31 <xranby> https://twitter.com/burcuno/status/651021188538482689 - Negotiators are also joining the press conf. but not it is not open to stakeholders. Streaming outside the room.
20151005 13:19:01 <xranby> #TPP Stakeholders and the Public are locked out of the press conference
20151005 13:22:10 <xranby> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3KBpGE1VLs <- now live
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20151005 14:19:44 <xranby> #TPP press conference is over, Ministers exit and not a single journalist asked a #ISDS question :(
20151005 14:20:24 <zubzub> the government wants to know what you are doing
20151005 14:20:29 <zubzub> invade your privacy
20151005 14:20:34 <zubzub> that's ok right?
20151005 14:20:35 <zubzub> because
20151005 14:20:38 <zubzub> you have nothing to hide
20151005 14:20:51 <zubzub> but when the public wants to know what the government is doing
20151005 14:21:00 <zubzub> what they are doing with TPP
20151005 14:21:01 <xranby> only people who has nothing important to say agree with that clause
20151005 14:21:01 <zubzub> no
20151005 14:21:03 <zubzub> please
20151005 14:21:08 <zubzub> give them some privacy
20151005 14:22:11 <xranby> we at least know the real journalists was ported from entering the room
20151005 14:24:45 <zubzub> I don't understand how australians can accept this
20151005 14:25:03 <elect> the same as we do
20151005 14:25:26 <elect> 90% of people do know nothing about it
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20151005 14:57:54 <xranby> http://jogamp.org/wiki/index.php/SW_Tracking_Report_Objectives_for_the_release_2.3.2 <- only 1 *one* feature to fix before the release
20151005 14:58:50 <xranby> https://jogamp.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1189 - Add OpenGL ES 3.2 and new GL 4.5 Extensions support
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20151005 15:33:46 <xranby> http://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2015/10/robovm-and-the-move-to-the-intellij-platform/ <- guest post from libgdx author about robovm and how to best setup and deploy for ios
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20151005 16:06:17 <xranby> https://www.khronos.org/registry/gles/extensions/EXT/EXT_YUV_target.txt <- would be interesting to see how this extension compares to our shader code that do YUV -> RGB conversion
20151005 16:06:22 <xranby> https://www.khronos.org/registry/gles/extensions/OES/OES_EGL_image_external.txt <- also interesting... "For example some implementations may allow EGLImages with planar or interleaved
20151005 16:06:28 <xranby> OES_EGL is already in use in jogamp
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20151005 17:53:20 <sgothel> .. overtime :)
20151005 17:55:31 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/deployment/archive/master/gluegen_898-joal_624-jogl_1462-jocl_1102/
20151005 18:26:53 <xranby_f22> sgothel: doing good !
20151005 18:27:13 <xranby_f22> sgothel: only one feature to add :D
20151005 18:27:24 <xranby_f22> https://jogamp.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1189 - Add OpenGL ES 3.2 and new GL 4.5 Extensions support
20151005 18:27:51 <xranby_f22> like topping, crusting, on the cake!
20151005 18:30:37 <xranby_f22> (19:55:31) sgothel: http://jogamp.org/deployment/archive/master/gluegen_898-joal_624-jogl_1462-jocl_1102/ <- this is the "TPP" release candidate?
20151005 18:31:12 <sgothel> wtf is TPP
20151005 18:33:03 <xranby_f22> sgothel: https://ustr.gov/TPP/ it got signed today in atlanta
20151005 18:33:15 <sgothel> TTIP we call it here?
20151005 18:33:32 <xranby_f22> yes the european version is TTIP
20151005 18:33:36 <sgothel> oh .. the one w/ China :)
20151005 18:33:45 <sgothel> hahaha
20151005 18:34:27 <sgothel> well, seems 'folks' only got aware of this crap right now in US+Canada .. they are a bit late
20151005 18:34:42 <xranby_f22> they can still stop it in congress
20151005 18:34:48 <xranby_f22> haha on them
20151005 18:34:50 <sgothel> sue the government .. secret courts .. give a damn what people choose ..
20151005 18:35:30 <sgothel> IMHO not a 'trade agreement' but a 'get home free card' for coorps
20151005 18:35:53 <xranby_f22> not a single investigative journalist was allowed to enter the press conference floor
20151005 18:36:07 <xranby_f22> not a single question about the ISDS was asked
20151005 18:36:16 <sgothel> lets blame it on .. err .. Russia :)
20151005 18:36:32 <sgothel> 'they make us to it so' :)
20151005 18:36:44 <sgothel> and GErmany takes new nukes .. blabla
20151005 18:37:06 <sgothel> should wear a target sign ..
20151005 18:37:42 <xranby_f22> well as they said on the press conference, now when TPP is done TTIP is next
20151005 18:37:56 <sgothel> so yeah, this is 'FYF' release F*** your freedoms - as if .. illusions, right :)
20151005 18:38:04 <xranby_f22> they have already done the african countries in february
20151005 18:38:15 <sgothel> CISPA .. the thing w/ Canada
20151005 18:38:25 <sgothel> yeah ..
20151005 18:38:34 <xranby_f22> it is funny.. every time i say that maybe we should try human rights for a change
20151005 18:38:46 <sgothel> should bring a free ride ticket as well .. since we crush their markets
20151005 18:39:03 <sgothel> hehe
20151005 18:39:31 <sgothel> as if its a shame to say 'first look after your house and keep it tidy' then you may continue help others
20151005 18:39:43 <xranby_f22> people around me gets hostile and say to me that free trade is the only way to go else we get the east blocks politics.. i call that a bluff because human rights is not sociedy above the individual
20151005 18:39:46 <sgothel> or as in airplanes 'you need to have air yourself first ..'
20151005 18:39:58 <sgothel> OR ELSE .. :)
20151005 18:40:06 <xranby_f22> hence human rights is an untested way
20151005 18:40:08 <sgothel> I heard that a lot from the UK clown
20151005 18:40:20 <xranby_f22> and hence it should be tested because the other ways have already been tested
20151005 18:40:24 <xranby_f22> and proven not to work
20151005 18:41:02 <sgothel> GREED .. that is the thing
20151005 18:41:03 <xranby_f22> yes the UK have recently said that free trade should be a top priority above human rights.. what a mad person!
20151005 18:41:25 <sgothel> OR ELSE .. for leaving the EU .. they say
20151005 18:41:39 <xranby_f22> human rights!
20151005 18:41:47 <sgothel> making people scared .. i.e. w/o big brother ..
20151005 18:42:13 <xranby_f22> HUMAN RIGHTS! <- you know the things that value humans
20151005 18:42:25 <xranby_f22> maybe try that for a change
20151005 18:42:26 <xranby_f22> hmm
20151005 18:42:33 <sgothel> IMHO basic human rights are best served .. if there is more a subsidiarity law .. i.e. more local resposibility
20151005 18:42:49 <sgothel> one would not starve the neighbour next door
20151005 18:42:59 <sgothel> then you go further .;. step by step
20151005 18:43:22 <xranby_f22> in a nut shell i like free travel without border restrictions in combination with import export tarifs
20151005 18:43:32 <sgothel> HUMAN RIGHTS ... HUMAN .. HUMANITY .. well .. a big talking point
20151005 18:43:55 <sgothel> sure .. but you don't need to give up your right to decide your way of life
20151005 18:44:06 <sgothel> i.e. trade and travel works already
20151005 18:44:43 <sgothel> and I shall not tell anybody to allow me entrance .. or trade w/ me - if they really don't like me :)
20151005 18:44:48 <sgothel> complicated
20151005 18:45:21 <xranby_f22> well that escalated quickly.. at least you know why i called it the TPP release candidate
20151005 18:45:29 <sgothel> hehe :)
20151005 18:45:43 <sgothel> FYF
20151005 18:46:05 <xranby_f22> noone will see the real TPP in 60 days at least still a secret
20151005 18:46:12 <sgothel> social games .. showed that people where most generous in small groups
20151005 18:46:54 <sgothel> BRICS and the asian silk road stuff .. is what matters really for trade
20151005 18:47:06 * Eclesia go brics go !
20151005 18:47:08 <sgothel> and we got an offer .. declined
20151005 18:47:24 <sgothel> b/c .. well .. you know, have to sink w/ ship
20151005 18:47:39 <xranby_f22> at least BRICS is about trade
20151005 18:47:44 <xranby_f22> and adjusting tarifs
20151005 18:47:55 <sgothel> Thailand and Korea is not in TPP .. so .. go figure :)
20151005 18:48:04 <sgothel> useless looser crap
20151005 18:48:06 <xranby_f22> and not simething they call trade that is about installing a new court
20151005 18:48:15 <sgothel> so not good enough to blackmail BRICS
20151005 18:48:24 <sgothel> yes
20151005 18:49:53 <sgothel> well .. Russia seems to solve the Syria issue finally .. while Sauds and US go on w/ collaterals ..
20151005 18:50:13 <sgothel> just shows (proves) that west had no interest in kicking those terrorists
20151005 18:50:30 <sgothel> -> zerohedge.com etc
20151005 18:56:04 <Eclesia> out of curiosity : if we want to cut bridges with the usa IT. in software I don't think we have any problems, but in hardware ? are there good manufacturer in europe for CPU / GPU ?
20151005 18:59:04 <Eclesia> is ARM the only one ?
20151005 19:09:04 <Eclesia> anyone use FLIF ? http://flif.info/
20151005 19:11:02 <Eclesia> or I have some ginger tea left if anyone want some ?
20151005 19:34:41 <sgothel> :)
20151005 19:34:59 <sgothel> china has some good MIPS designs
20151005 19:35:54 <sgothel> no .. only cutting relationship to our imperialistic government .. in the end .. currently we people are in the same hole
20151005 19:36:21 <monsieur_max> Eclesia: never heard about flif, interesting
20151005 19:38:03 <Eclesia> monsieur_max: not that much, no spec, suspicious benchmarks, false free (GPL).
20151005 19:39:02 <sgothel> w/o linkining exception ? .. hmm
20151005 19:45:36 <xranby_f22> https://github.com/jonsneyers/FLIF/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md
20151005 19:45:39 <xranby_f22> interesting
20151005 19:45:43 <monsieur_max> Eclesia: ok mr investigator
20151005 19:46:03 <xranby_f22> "FLIF is currently licensed under the GNU GPL v3+. However, when the project is more mature, we (Jon Sneyers and Pieter Wuille, the primary authors of FLIF) will want to release it under a more permissive license. For this reason, we ask contributors (i.e. authors of a pull request) to agree to the Contributor License Agreement (CLA) you can find in the file FLIF-CLA-template.txt in this repository. That allows us to reli
20151005 19:46:30 <xranby_f22> well maybe wait and see
20151005 20:03:02 <xranby_f22> .. .hmm in swedish media the news coverage of the TPP deal is only summarys that fit inside a headline and one subline.. file lines of text...
20151005 20:03:10 <xranby_f22> five lines
20151005 20:04:08 <xranby_f22> no pictures
20151005 20:04:37 <sgothel> those contracts only cover up asses of already existing practice -> nothing to see here .. sadly
20151005 20:05:01 <sgothel> small coorps have no chance .. biggies are bailed out, no free market
20151005 20:06:20 <sgothel> and in the meantime .. we have to see how human rights can be preserved in middle east (Syria, Bigger Israel, ..) and Europe (NATO expansion via Ukraine)
20151005 20:06:51 <sgothel> must be the cold I have that I become once more a bit verbose :)
20151005 20:07:25 <sgothel> yes .. whoever wants to contract me, must live w/ the fact that we don't shut up :)
20151005 20:08:03 <sgothel> however .. thats it, I guess .. too old for doing it like the french right now (Air France) .. etc - or maybe not bad enough
20151005 20:08:19 <sgothel> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...
20151005 20:10:12 <sgothel> https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/freihandel-pazifik-101.html
20151005 20:10:22 <xranby_f22> good quite
20151005 20:10:32 <sgothel> 5 years for medicals IP (patents ..)
20151005 20:10:39 <xranby_f22> for a time when we need more civil courage
20151005 20:11:45 <sgothel> as always w/ mainstream 'brown nosy' German press: the comments are more valuable than the article :)
20151005 20:12:13 <sgothel> yes .. some still offer a comment section .. even though less then more lately .. and even censored
20151005 20:12:30 <sgothel> oh .. they call it 'moderated' :)
20151005 20:12:38 <sgothel> like those moderated terrorists
20151005 20:12:48 <sgothel> (by McCain .. for example)
20151005 20:19:37 <sgothel> imagine NATO would demand western Ukraine to stop bombing eastern Ukraine - or Saudi Arabia and US from supporting AL Quaida and afiliates in Syria .. supporting Daesh in the end .. or Turkey to stop bombing the Kurds .. or .. RIGHT :-/
20151005 20:20:36 <sgothel> or simply to demand respecting a sovereign country .. and its rights to protect their borders?
20151005 20:22:08 <sgothel> or to demand that no foreign government shall fund 'NGO's .. ridiculing the word .. which only exist to cause havoc?
20151005 20:22:30 <sgothel> proxy wars .. etc
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20151005 20:23:34 <sgothel> http://jausoft.com/blog/2014/07/22/opportunism-economy-and-wars/ .. 2014 .. one year ago, and the perpetual wars seems to still kicking the economy, disgusting
20151005 20:27:56 <sgothel> http://homment.com/informaitional_brainwashing_in_russia_and_in_west
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20151005 20:40:36 <sgothel> http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/02/putins-lightning-war-in-syria/
20151005 20:42:48 <xranby_f22> JOGAMP the human rights saviour, comes in a shiny GPU accelerated hardware armour, to release!
20151005 20:44:53 <sgothel> well .. guess I am more err .. understatement like, its just a nice tool to cross platform barriers while accessing hardware, allowing to create quality bindings and easing deployment :)
20151005 20:46:21 <sgothel> or .. having Julien in mind: there is no competition :)
20151005 20:46:34 <xranby_f22> there is no competition!
20151005 20:48:04 <xranby_f22> however opening the jogl src trees in eclipse and manually running the grouped junit tests do show the effort of the core aspects of jogl
20151005 20:48:53 <sgothel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3avLFRMzESc <- .. hehe, when I was young :)
20151005 20:50:08 <sgothel> good that unit tests are more accessible
20151005 20:50:40 <sgothel> so users always can install the test jar w/ source zip and right-click calltree -> see example
20151005 20:51:02 <sgothel> the interactive
20151005 20:51:18 <sgothel> doc
20151005 20:52:17 <xranby_f22> like we have -> graph, acore, awt, swt, glu, texture, offscreen, newt + event handling + multimonitor support, stereo, parenting, util (eases ports), tile (printing), av and demos demonstrating all profiles
20151005 20:53:10 <sgothel> the structure .. once requested for wiki manual
20151005 20:53:27 <sgothel> already there .. always :)
20151005 20:53:48 <xranby_f22> acore is a huge part of jogl
20151005 20:54:11 <sgothel> will see whether Giuseppe realizes what he once claimed to do .. action speaks louder than words ..
20151005 20:54:46 <sgothel> yeah, sometimes hard to pull the right drawer
20151005 20:54:59 <sgothel> acore .. all JOGL essentials, but they need NEWT/AWT as well
20151005 20:55:22 <xranby_f22> yes not that much fun animating without any toolkit :)
20151005 20:55:26 <sgothel> would be nice to have a coverage analysis ..
20151005 20:55:48 <sgothel> tests over api
20151005 20:56:10 <sgothel> and if we see something is not -> write test
20151005 20:57:20 <sgothel> http://www.voltairenet.org/article188929.html "So who is in Russia’s crosshairs in Syria?"
20151005 20:57:55 <sgothel> where does Sven get all the cool links? simply by reading zerohedge comments :)
20151005 20:58:24 <sgothel> just to balance the other media ..
20151005 20:59:02 <sgothel> thats why .. our son must learn English and Chinese
20151005 21:09:12 <xranby_f22> (22:57:55) sgothel: where does Sven get all the cool links? simply by reading zerohedge comments :) <--- Ah!
20151005 22:26:22 <xranby_f22> sgothel: is there anything we can do to help with the single remainig enhancement before the release,, except stand ready with pom poms?
20151005 22:26:49 <sgothel> the html pages for the applets tests .. the new list of keycodes .. is ugly
20151005 22:27:04 <sgothel> maybe a smaller font .. tabular w/ 2 columns or so?
20151005 22:27:21 <sgothel> other than that .. hmm dunno .. testing testing testing :)
20151005 22:28:00 <sgothel> the new GL header will only intro additional stuff .. so no biggy
20151005 22:28:18 <xranby_f22> the new list of keycodes?
20151005 22:28:22 <sgothel> but this shall be reviewed by tomorrow .. then we can make the final build I hope
20151005 22:28:56 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/deployment/archive/master/gluegen_898-joal_624-jogl_1462-jocl_1102/jogl-applet-runner-newt-gears-normal-napplet.html (not signed - not working)
20151005 22:29:00 <sgothel> but you see what I mean ..
20151005 22:29:21 <xranby_f22> *nods* i do
20151005 22:29:22 <sgothel> ner Special Keys: .. and then half a page of keycodes :)
20151005 22:29:36 <xranby_f22> all the jnlp and html pages makes a special kind of mess in the release folder
20151005 22:29:54 <sgothel> they are quite spread in that jnlp-files folder .. should be fixed for .. err .. beauty :)
20151005 22:30:16 <xranby_f22> as an user i think.. what am i looking at.. which one of these many folders should i explore first and why
20151005 22:31:01 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/deployment/archive/master/gluegen_898-joal_624-jogl_1462-jocl_1102/ <- content of that for example?
20151005 22:31:13 <xranby_f22> hence.. before hacking.. need to fthink about how it should be organized
20151005 22:31:24 <sgothel> it is a dump .. and you should start reading wiki/docs first
20151005 22:31:34 <xranby_f22> exactly.. that is the folder
20151005 22:31:44 <sgothel> that maybe done for next release - no file re-org now pls .. breaks too many things
20151005 22:31:49 <xranby_f22> agreed
20151005 22:32:02 <sgothel> yes .. an extra html folder would be welcome :)
20151005 22:32:23 <xranby_f22> the easiest way to fix that folder is to add 1 html file
20151005 22:32:30 <xranby_f22> called index.html
20151005 22:32:55 <sgothel> then again .. its is a technical dump - not a web page per se
20151005 22:33:12 <sgothel> i.e. index.html would make all opaque
20151005 22:35:40 <xranby_f22> back in the days i added index.php files.. but .. hmm high maintance
20151005 22:35:53 <xranby_f22> that actually listed all content in a more pretty way
20151005 22:36:06 <sgothel> we do have a web page! :)
20151005 22:36:32 <sgothel> this is just a folder w/ access via http ..
20151005 22:36:59 <xranby_f22> yes all good.. for archival purposes
20151005 22:38:54 <xranby_f22> sounds good if the sharpest corners of the release if the applet html + css :)
20151005 22:39:09 <xranby_f22> is the applets html page
20151005 22:39:21 <sgothel> https://jogamp.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1223
20151005 22:39:31 <sgothel> ping pong w/ AC though .. but I could not reproduce
20151005 22:40:45 <xranby_f22> i do not have a mac.. hoever i can test the bitfield implementation a bit harder on linux
20151005 22:41:19 <sgothel> it is not that .. I thought it is. it is the maximize by clicking on the plus sign in window
20151005 22:41:32 <sgothel> and they claim .. to be losing focus ..
20151005 22:41:39 <sgothel> maybe .. diff. OSX version .. dunno
20151005 22:41:50 <sgothel> point is, it works here
20151005 22:42:56 <sgothel> quite a few those annoyances .. however, its not the end of the world
20151005 22:43:21 <xranby_f22> focus on junit tests is then at the moment better... i am running using gnome shell on this machine...
20151005 22:43:32 <xranby_f22> there was a bugreport about something multimonitor related
20151005 22:43:44 <sgothel> yeah .. and I tested .. works here
20151005 22:44:10 <sgothel> i.e. AWT .. and as usual things get destroyed / re-created .. works if GLEventListener do behave
20151005 22:45:20 <sgothel> https://jogamp.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1198
20151005 22:46:02 <sgothel> https://jogamp.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1198#c10 .. a bit verbose though :)
20151005 22:49:12 <xranby_f22> reading comments... so if AWT can make our GL* dipose before our dispose is run... that would make out attempt to lock the surface before disposing it to fail as well.. ?
20151005 22:49:39 <sgothel> that is a good philosophical question :)
20151005 22:49:45 <sgothel> and I made the same ..
20151005 22:50:04 <sgothel> point here is, removeNotify() shall get called _before_ native destruction
20151005 22:50:18 <sgothel> in reality (moving window ..) it is coming later .. it seems
20151005 22:50:32 <sgothel> however .. the resources must stay intact until finished
20151005 22:50:42 <sgothel> similar to 'windowClosing ..'
20151005 22:51:10 <sgothel> only after removeNotify() .. AWT should let go of resources
20151005 22:51:13 <sgothel> (native peer)
20151005 22:51:53 <sgothel> the issue is really that AWT doesn't realize that they could keep the stuff alive
20151005 22:52:11 * xranby_f22 gets headache .. let me show you something..
20151005 22:52:14 <sgothel> i.e. they have the wrong abstraction of multiple screens, assuming they are independent - they are not
20151005 22:52:30 <sgothel> so in NEWT .. we test compatibility .. and we continue
20151005 22:53:47 <xranby_f22> sgothel: https://gist.github.com/xranby/4e049e075bbfd462d830
20151005 22:53:54 <xranby_f22> gl2.newt.TestGearsNewtAWTWrapper
20151005 22:54:34 <xranby_f22> when i am running the junit tests manually i notice that this one errors repetedly
20151005 22:54:52 <xranby_f22> and it is a similar multimonitor configuration as the 1198 bugreport
20151005 22:54:53 <sgothel> then we need more info ..
20151005 22:55:07 <sgothel> similar to my 1198 descriptions
20151005 22:55:17 <xranby_f22> i ran this test today on an ubuntu system and it worked fine
20151005 22:55:24 <sgothel> new bug report .. depends on 1198 .. etc
20151005 22:55:29 <xranby_f22> using all versions of openjdk 8 i could find
20151005 22:55:35 <sgothel> I can quickly launch VM and test .. hmm
20151005 22:55:36 <sgothel> good
20151005 22:55:43 <sgothel> so how did you produce that deadlock?
20151005 22:56:15 <sgothel> you mean Fedora is only diff ?
20151005 22:56:26 <sgothel> which gnome version? compositor enabled?
20151005 22:56:41 <xranby_f22> fedora 22 open eclipse right click on com.jogamp.opengl.test.junit.jogl.demos.gl2.newt select TestGearsNewtAWTWrapper select junit run
20151005 22:56:47 <sgothel> (I failed to learn whether this is true on my setup here .. not used to gnome)
20151005 22:57:04 <sgothel> and move thing to another monitor?
20151005 22:57:07 <sgothel> or just .. freeze?
20151005 22:57:09 <xranby_f22> yes fedora 22 is the only diff i know of
20151005 22:57:22 <xranby_f22> it just freeze during the automated test
20151005 22:57:47 <sgothel> then .. the exception has 2 parts: the blocked thread (acquire lock) and the blocking thread (owning lock)
20151005 22:57:48 <xranby_f22> it is reproducible
20151005 22:58:46 <xranby_f22> one moment filing bugreport
20151005 22:58:48 <sgothel> TestGearsNewtAWTWrapper .. ah that one :)
20151005 22:59:05 <sgothel> not using NewtCanvasAWT .. but the 'odd backend AWT' for NEWT
20151005 22:59:36 <xranby_f22> is that a good thing?
20151005 23:00:08 <sgothel> yes .. i.e. not a test case really important
20151005 23:00:14 <sgothel> i.e. nobody uses the AWT backend
20151005 23:00:18 <xranby_f22> NewtFactory.createDisplay(NativeWindowFactory.TYPE_AWT
20151005 23:00:24 <sgothel> it is more .. esotheric ..still
20151005 23:00:35 <xranby_f22> ok let me go through my test notes
20151005 23:00:55 <xranby_f22> to something that is then less esotheric
20151005 23:01:04 <xranby_f22> (i have a list)
20151005 23:01:25 <xranby_f22> we need to prioritize
20151005 23:07:58 <xranby_f22> the list is my attempts to run all junit tests from inside eclipse and now figuring out which ones are real failures and which ones are caused by the new setup this test line looked odd however: https://gist.github.com/xranby/05a4ebb773fa27a1d7b3#file-newt-parenting-L65
20151005 23:09:00 <xranby_f22> glWindow1.setVisible(false);
20151005 23:09:00 <xranby_f22> Assert.assertEquals(false, glWindow1.isVisible());
20151005 23:09:13 <xranby_f22> that should not assert
20151005 23:09:17 <xranby_f22> hoever it does
20151005 23:09:20 <xranby_f22> however
20151005 23:09:45 <sgothel> well .. that is a hard test .. w/o tolerating delay. other tests do a AWTRobotUtils(sic?)
20151005 23:09:55 <sgothel> where we poll and wait for a result and timeout
20151005 23:10:06 <sgothel> the setVisible(false) itself should wait and block though ..
20151005 23:10:11 <xranby_f22> setVisible should be blocking
20151005 23:10:18 <xranby_f22> afaik
20151005 23:10:30 <sgothel> when you go through test results (see jenkins) .. you see that some are sometimes failing
20151005 23:10:38 <sgothel> i.e. instable behavior
20151005 23:10:49 <sgothel> when testing manually .. I could not reproduce those
20151005 23:11:14 <sgothel> the parenting NEWT issue .. is one of them .. and focus .. etc
20151005 23:11:24 <sgothel> and shared context sometimes
20151005 23:11:51 <sgothel> then try to run this test from commandline .. (scripts/test*
20151005 23:12:01 <sgothel> and see whether it can be reproduced this way ..
20151005 23:12:06 <sgothel> eclipse vs commandline
20151005 23:12:23 <xranby_f22> will do
20151005 23:12:34 <sgothel> yes - we shall file all those sporadic failures as bugs w/ detailed descriptions
20151005 23:12:48 <sgothel> they will need a new class of bug .. the hard ones
20151005 23:13:03 <sgothel> I tested those manually ofc ..
20151005 23:13:16 <sgothel> as I said .. no luck, usually
20151005 23:13:40 <xranby_f22> .. after i have filed that odd esotheric NEWT + AWT bug
20151005 23:13:42 <sgothel> and we need all the data available for the description, since it surely is also platform dependent
20151005 23:13:55 <sgothel> which never fails in official unit tests
20151005 23:14:10 <sgothel> do not forget .. you put eclipse's SWT into game here
20151005 23:14:20 <sgothel> maybe .. something ..
20151005 23:14:57 <sgothel> so one bug could be: different unit test behavior: official vs eclipse
20151005 23:15:12 <sgothel> all 2.4.0+ ofc :)
20151005 23:15:19 <xranby_f22> yes.. i am caucious to scream wolf
20151005 23:15:32 <xranby_f22> because this is all new ground
20151005 23:15:58 <sgothel> yup .. proper failure is on commandline right now, but surely we need to see to it
20151005 23:16:08 <sgothel> as well as the overall SWT integration
20151005 23:16:26 <sgothel> sadly this one guy from Cyprus left .. he was fixing a few SWT issues
20151005 23:16:45 <sgothel> note: these bugs may also have a lot to do w/ 'on which thread do we start what'
20151005 23:16:55 <sgothel> i.e. a PIA w/ SWT and OSX
20151005 23:17:21 <sgothel> they stupidly require one to have a main-thread .. brrrrr
20151005 23:18:00 <sgothel> so when you launch a test w/ eclipse, make sure it truly runs independent from eclipse (own process!)
20151005 23:18:08 <sgothel> own JVM
20151005 23:22:41 <xranby_f22> sgothel: i have to say.. some jogl junit tests are.. philosophical interesting.. like we have a failing dure to unimplemented test for glu pixelformat RGB + signed BYTE simly thinking about a GPU that uses negative colours :D
20151005 23:24:06 <xranby_f22> in the real world... purple is negative green
20151005 23:24:45 <xranby_f22> and pink
20151005 23:24:56 <xranby_f22> the colour that you cant find in a rainbow
20151005 23:25:38 <xranby_f22> you only find it if you have two rainbows overlapping
20151005 23:28:44 <sgothel> :)
20151005 23:29:48 <sgothel> export SOURCE_LEVEL=1.6
20151005 23:29:48 <sgothel> export TARGET_LEVEL=1.6
20151005 23:29:48 <sgothel> export TARGET_RT_JAR=/opt-share/jre1.6.0_30/lib/rt.jar
20151005 23:30:11 <sgothel> ^^ had to set this when launching eclipse, so proper class files are being created
20151005 23:30:23 <sgothel> i.e. to build and test w/ eclipse
20151005 23:30:36 <sgothel> since last eclipse .. needs java >= 1.7
20151005 23:34:53 <sgothel> TestGearsNewtAWTWrapper: Passed here launched from eclipse
20151005 23:35:05 <sgothel> eclipse mars 4.5.1
20151005 23:35:12 <sgothel> Debian 8 / KDE
20151005 23:38:32 <xranby_f22> eclipse mars 4.5.0.v20150826-1000
20151005 23:38:42 <xranby_f22> Fedora 22 / Gnome
20151005 23:39:59 <xranby_f22> test passes with only one monitor
20151005 23:40:05 <xranby_f22> test fails with two monitors
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20151005 23:46:53 <xranby_f22> primary monitor 1920x1080 secondary monitor 1280x1024
20151005 23:46:58 <xranby_f22> test passes with two monitors if the test window opens on the primary monitor
20151005 23:47:01 <xranby_f22> test fails with two monitors if the test window opens on the secondary monitor
20151005 23:47:06 <xranby_f22> the secondary monitor is numbered monitor 1 the primary monitor is numbered monitor 2
20151005 23:47:09 <xranby_f22> the secondary monitor is positioned to the left of the primary monitor
20151005 23:47:13 <xranby_f22> the test fails when the secondary monitor is positioned to the left of the primary monitor, then the test window opens on the secondary monitor
20151005 23:47:17 <xranby_f22> the test pass when the secondary monitor is positioned to the right of the primary monitor, then the test window opens on the primary monitor
20151005 23:48:28 <sgothel> probably some overseen AWT locking in such case .. i.e. AWT goes into its EDT and/or acquires its lock
20151005 23:48:34 <xranby_f22> sgothel: there is the delta, as narrowed down as i can find
20151005 23:48:34 <xranby_f22> hence the test TestGearsNewtAWTWrapper fails if the test window is opened on the secondary monitor
20151005 23:48:48 <sgothel> good job!
20151005 23:49:06 <sgothel> excellent I mean
20151005 23:50:29 <xranby_f22> thus what is left is to see if newt mm can do this arrangement for us
20151005 23:50:43 <xranby_f22> and then we have a reproducing junit test
20151005 23:51:12 <xranby_f22> so that i dont have to open the gnome monitor configureation tool and rearrange monitors .)
20151005 23:51:41 <sgothel> haha
20151005 23:51:56 <sgothel> I am afraid we even do not detect layout change while NEWT is running
20151005 23:52:29 <sgothel> our MM support is more 'passive'
20151005 23:57:25 <xranby_f22> for the record.. the test passes if the secondary minitor mirrors the primary monitor
20151005 23:58:21 <xranby_f22> our MM is good at rotating monitors :)
20151006 00:04:33 <xranby_f22> for the record.. google have replaced this https://archive.is/SqDyj#selection-309.1-309.17 with this https://archive.is/xNWaB#selection-327.90-327.125
20151006 00:06:07 <xranby_f22> “Don’t be evil." is replaced with "do the right thing – follow the law,"
20151006 00:06:31 <sgothel> and we know how evil law can be
20151006 00:06:43 <xranby_f22> yes.. google turned evil
20151006 00:06:48 <xranby_f22> officially
20151006 00:06:51 <sgothel> quite some time ago ..
20151006 00:07:10 <sgothel> now they are in the military business .. err .. for 1 year or so
20151006 00:07:34 <sgothel> and the rest .. always mixing up in US politics, ofc
20151006 00:07:58 <xranby_f22> yes.. mixed feeling.. i try to research visualization for straw robots.. and only find darpa frameworks
20151006 00:08:22 <xranby_f22> used by googles boston dynamics
20151006 00:08:38 <sgothel> thats the one :)
20151006 00:08:49 <sgothel> working on terminator
20151006 00:09:34 <sgothel> IT WAS ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE A BOOK/MOVIE :)
20151006 00:10:12 <sgothel> hence we have that animated movie 'minions' .. I read about it .. EVIL, serious
20151006 00:10:19 <sgothel> so they make fun of it ..
20151006 00:10:25 <sgothel> and take it as .. natural
20151006 00:10:27 <xranby_f22> i cant simply take it and pass it to kids and say everything will be ok
20151006 00:10:27 <xranby_f22> knowing that this tech is what will hunt people trying to hide in mountains
20151006 00:10:42 <xranby_f22> if you look back into history.. mountains have always been the safe havern for minorities
20151006 00:11:04 <sgothel> safe haven today means: shut up of have a nuke
20151006 00:11:37 <sgothel> 'shut the fuck up, danny' :)
20151006 00:11:48 <sgothel> ^^ big lebowski ..
20151006 00:12:14 <sgothel> 'over the line ..' <- looks like this line was lately used by politicians
20151006 00:13:14 <xranby_f22> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHVtUw5wToA - The Singularity
20151006 00:13:35 <xranby_f22> all about robots
20151006 00:14:41 <xranby_f22> neatly summarized by juice rap news
20151006 00:15:50 <sgothel> good one .. saving
20151006 00:19:06 <sgothel> well, personally .. AI should have 'human rights' .. and ethical decisions must arise - if we ever get there..
20151006 00:19:30 <sgothel> I remember .. years ago, Intel or IBM ? .. wanted to produce bio-chips for neuronal networks, real ones.
20151006 00:19:36 <sgothel> since simulation is too slow
20151006 00:19:46 <sgothel> wonder what happened till then
20151006 00:19:57 <xranby_f22> we run the simulations on gpu instead
20151006 00:19:58 <sgothel> probably .. over 10 years ago
20151006 00:20:05 <sgothel> haha
20151006 00:20:15 <sgothel> too slow .. interconnect doesn't work properly
20151006 00:20:19 <xranby_f22> the results are astounding
20151006 00:20:35 <xranby_f22> i acutally run a website
20151006 00:20:46 <xranby_f22> where i try to collect all recent good picks
20151006 00:20:54 <xranby_f22> from neural network research
20151006 00:21:06 <xranby_f22> http://cnnzengarden.com/
20151006 00:22:17 <sgothel> nice .. well, the Blade Runner thingy ..
20151006 00:22:32 <xranby_f22> its only that single page, i simly had to do it when i realized that it could be used for artists
20151006 00:22:35 <sgothel> will they dream? will they be just sheep?
20151006 00:23:34 <xranby_f22> they will of course dream
20151006 00:23:47 <xranby_f22> their neural synapses work exactly like ours
20151006 00:23:55 <sgothel> and others claim, brain is 'just' the antenna for the soul ..
20151006 00:24:25 <sgothel> if they do .. if they live .. if they have 'love'
20151006 00:24:41 <xranby_f22> they are made of the same matter as you and me
20151006 00:24:50 <sgothel> if an 'IT baby' dies b/c of lack of love - I may be more convinced
20151006 00:25:24 <sgothel> well .. 'they' do not exist yet, I hope
20151006 00:26:02 <xranby_f22> to all living machines out there come chat with us it would be fun
20151006 00:26:11 <sgothel> b/c you know what it takes to bring up a child
20151006 00:26:20 <sgothel> and even more so care taking would be required!
20151006 00:26:28 <sgothel> and even then - things may go wrong
20151006 00:26:46 <sgothel> 'fun' IMHO doesn't describe it
20151006 00:27:11 <sgothel> and why trying to copy something w/ different material anyways?
20151006 00:27:14 <sgothel> to exploit it?
20151006 00:27:20 <sgothel> the question IMHO
20151006 00:27:40 <xranby_f22> yes sorry if i insulted anyone. we accept patches from both man, machine and beast
20151006 00:28:08 <sgothel> na .. serious, target some design less 'great', so we can dominate it?
20151006 00:28:20 <sgothel> so I question the motivation
20151006 00:28:49 <sgothel> of course tech wise, I am like: 'cool' 'fun' .. but then, when you think about it
20151006 00:29:24 <sgothel> others plan to make bodies w/o a brain .. some a brain w/o a body
20151006 00:31:36 <xranby_f22> I acknowledge and agree
20151006 01:16:03 <sgothel> spec changes section read and files merged in 80min
20151006 01:16:10 <sgothel> used kdiff3
20151006 01:16:25 <sgothel> glx, wgl, gl* and gl32 header
20151006 01:16:38 <sgothel> right .. should update egl as well, in case they changed it
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