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20151007 06:20:21 <elect> hi
20151007 06:42:10 <elect> very interesting http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/60866-female-devs-outburst-against-torvalds-was-planned
20151007 06:42:43 <elect> http://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/general-discussion/827308-sarah-sharp-steps-down-as-linux-kernel-developer?p=827321#post827321
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20151007 07:31:37 <eclesia> hi
20151007 07:36:37 <elect> hi
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20151007 08:46:38 <xranby_f22> elect: http://news.softpedia.com/news/matthew-garrett-leaves-linux-kernel-and-forks-it-493867.shtml
20151007 08:48:37 <xranby_f22> good morning
20151007 08:49:09 <elect> they should mention some facts in support of their thesis
20151007 08:50:11 <elect> you can write the best and nicest wall of text of all times, as Sarah did, bringing most of the people reading it on her side, me included
20151007 08:50:57 <elect> but then you read what (is supposed to be) she referred about, and you smile because it is not what it looked like
20151007 08:51:28 <elect> everyone is free to do whatever he wants
20151007 08:51:51 <xranby_f22> we will likely have a situation like libav and ffmpeg
20151007 08:52:03 <elect> but tagging a community as toxic without any proof is a little over the line
20151007 08:52:23 <xranby_f22> libav was a fork created due to dislike by the contributors how the project is run.
20151007 08:52:30 <xranby_f22> this is the same thing
20151007 08:52:38 <elect> I dont know
20151007 08:52:51 <xranby_f22> developers leaving not on technical reasons is a bad thing
20151007 08:52:53 <elect> everything depends on how many people with adopt his branch
20151007 08:53:25 <xranby_f22> as always
20151007 08:53:34 <xranby_f22> its like icedtea and openjdk
20151007 08:53:38 <elect> sure it is, xranby_f22, but if reasons are futile or non-sense, then the problem is not the community, it is themselves
20151007 08:53:46 <xranby_f22> people contribute to the branch they feel most ease working with
20151007 08:54:15 <xranby_f22> openjdk is quite burocratic icedtea less so
20151007 08:54:55 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/git/?p=semantic-versioning.git;a=commit;h=4f50b49c955f2bde2bb7eb4c7493206ec6bb1f2f <- had to fix our semantic versioning
20151007 08:55:12 <sgothel> since a few enums and methods went upwards the GL* interface chain
20151007 08:55:21 <sgothel> and .. good morning .. and .. stop whining :)
20151007 08:55:26 <xranby_f22> are wejumping to jogamp jogl 3.0
20151007 08:55:38 <xranby_f22> ?
20151007 08:55:50 <sgothel> 2.3.2 sir
20151007 08:56:04 <zubzub> xranby_f22: it's not really semantic versioning
20151007 08:56:08 <zubzub> it's sgothel versioning ;)
20151007 08:56:14 <sgothel> fuck you :)
20151007 08:56:23 <xranby_f22> thats why i said we may need to jump to 3.0
20151007 08:56:29 <sgothel> yes - we define our semantic versioning -> wiki
20151007 08:56:30 <xranby_f22> if we want semantic versioning
20151007 08:56:36 <xranby_f22> ah
20151007 08:57:00 <sgothel> we just push it one level down
20151007 08:57:08 <sgothel> minor -> api change
20151007 08:57:40 <sgothel> I tired the other tool japicmp, but it could not handle the upwards move either ..
20151007 08:57:56 <sgothel> so I stick to our semver patch .. - official semver development is closed
20151007 08:59:17 <sgothel> rudeness is the new niceness :) - sorry zuzub, I couldn't help it reading and wasting time w/ that crap of 'leaving ..'
20151007 09:02:04 * xranby_f22 scribes down the rules of conducts, be nice is nice, if you want to be provocative be like jigong
20151007 09:02:20 <sgothel> cheers :)
20151007 09:03:24 <xranby_f22> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ji_Gong
20151007 09:04:14 <sgothel> we all should know about this nice dude by now .. errr ?
20151007 09:09:25 <zubzub> sgothel: oh you can be rude to me
20151007 09:09:28 <zubzub> I can handle it
20151007 09:09:34 <zubzub> I'm not a woman ;) :p
20151007 09:20:41 <bruce-> is there are a recent RC out on the test maven repository? I am very curious after the osx avfoundation fixes I've seen popping up
20151007 09:21:42 <bruce-> hm, nothing past 20150929 it seems
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20151007 10:53:46 <xranby> \o/ i like what i see on the jogl git
20151007 10:54:04 <xranby> http://jogamp.org/git/?p=jogl.git;a=summary
20151007 11:06:09 <xranby> with that last enhancement landed on the jogl git.. release is immenent.. hence we only need to look into bugreports to check if they are caused by jogl -> then fix else defer to the next release or defer to the free software projects that have the bug
20151007 11:33:24 <xranby> sgothel: filed the bugreport https://jogamp.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1249
20151007 11:33:40 <xranby> i can reproduce it using Ubuntu + Compiz Unity as well
20151007 11:33:59 <xranby> hence I do not have a test machine where this test pass
20151007 11:35:18 <xranby> unless i add my "workaround patch"
20151007 11:35:41 <xranby> the workaround patch -> https://github.com/xranby/jogl/commit/c0179c95a6ec57a618522d6baeadb804d7d1ab9a
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20151007 11:58:44 <eclesia> new victory : resizable table/treetable columns
20151007 12:00:27 <xranby> eclesia: sweet
20151007 12:07:09 <zubzub> can you make a scriptable widget toolkit based on ecmascript, like qml or javafx 1 script (aka visage)
20151007 12:07:12 <zubzub> :p
20151007 12:07:49 <zubzub> https://github.com/visage-lang
20151007 12:09:52 <eclesia> zubzub: you mean someting like an fxml file ?
20151007 12:10:15 <zubzub> I mean something that's not an xml file, but rather javascript/ecmascript
20151007 12:10:26 <zubzub> it seems to not exist for Java
20151007 12:10:42 <zubzub> qml for Java basically
20151007 12:10:45 <eclesia> zubzub: json instead of xml, that's all ?
20151007 12:10:52 <zubzub> not json, javascript
20151007 12:11:07 <zubzub> where you can define & bind properties together
20151007 12:11:13 <zubzub> & define behaviour
20151007 12:11:15 <zubzub> not just layout
20151007 12:11:24 <zubzub> have a loo at qml ;)
20151007 12:11:29 <zubzub> *look
20151007 12:11:36 <eclesia> wtf, java widget toolkit == java code. stop it with javascript, that's trash
20151007 12:11:50 <zubzub> no the javascript binds the underlying java objects
20151007 12:11:58 <zubzub> like qml does with qt widgets
20151007 12:12:27 <zubzub> it's not the javascript you see in a browser with a DOM and whatuglynot
20151007 12:12:36 <zubzub> its javascript syntax
20151007 12:12:38 <xranby> zubzub: have you seen eclesias animator factory api?
20151007 12:12:38 <eclesia> so it's a descriptive file, an fxmpl in json
20151007 12:12:40 <zubzub> aka ecmascript
20151007 12:13:01 <zubzub> xranby: no
20151007 12:13:08 <zubzub> have you seen how qml works?
20151007 12:13:25 <zubzub> eclesia: yeah I guess you could call it something like that
20151007 12:13:56 <zubzub> http://doc.qt.io/qt-4.8/qml-tutorial1.html
20151007 12:14:06 <zubzub> that's a nice example how it looks
20151007 12:14:19 <xranby> zubzub: http://www.developpez.net/forums/d1539961/applications/developpement-2d-3d-jeux/projets/wejv5-morpion-deluxe-42-a/
20151007 12:14:37 <xranby> http://unlicense.developpez.com/wejv5/RERUN_MEGA_MORPION_DELUXE_42.ogv
20151007 12:14:43 <eclesia> zubzub: yaml code
20151007 12:15:09 <xranby> https://bitbucket.org/Eclesia/wejv5-morpion/src/f7158b541eb6d6064af6e661bc9e608b93952f07/src/main/java/unp/morpion/WGame.java?at=default&fileviewer=file-view-default#WGame.java-59
20151007 12:15:16 <zubzub> you really need to promote it in a bit more english oriented fashion :/
20151007 12:15:36 <xranby> the sorucecode is quite nice tor ead
20151007 12:15:38 <eclesia> to much bugs left ^^
20151007 12:15:44 <bruce-> hm
20151007 12:15:50 <bruce-> I should also publish my animation library
20151007 12:16:07 <xranby> \o/
20151007 12:16:23 <bruce-> it is a bit evil since it heavily relies on introspection
20151007 12:16:24 <zubzub> bruce-: github.com :p
20151007 12:16:29 <bruce-> but it is really nice to use
20151007 12:18:27 <eclesia> bruce-: bitbucket.org :p
20151007 12:19:03 <bruce-> it is already in a bitbucket repo, albeit private
20151007 12:19:27 <xranby> \o/
20151007 12:27:13 <rmk0_> ello. i don't usually do this, but... does anyone here happen to know a good android developer that would like a job at the new york public library?
20151007 12:27:39 <rmk0_> https://jobs-nypl.icims.com/jobs/8738/senior-mobile-developer-%28android%29--%27apollo-program%27-for-public-library-ebooks/job
20151007 12:28:48 <rmk0_> i've been doing work for them since february, but am now moving on to doing server work for them, so they need someone to take over android development
20151007 12:29:13 <rmk0_> is a very nice working environment. smart and friendly people, a lot of technological freedom, working on open source code, etc
20151007 12:29:41 <xranby> rmk0_: i have forwarded your post to twitter
20151007 12:29:50 <rmk0_> hehe, right, thanks!
20151007 12:30:23 <rmk0_> i assumed most in here would be in europe, but i thought i'd ask anyway
20151007 12:30:45 <rmk0_> i've been working for them remotely, but i think they were intending to get someone in NYC for that position
20151007 12:33:45 <elect> one friend of mine at linkedin here in Hamburg, other than him, nobody else, sorry rmk0_
20151007 12:35:15 <rmk0_> no problem
20151007 12:35:20 <elect> btw, why do you ask? Is that so difficult finding someone capable there?
20151007 12:35:44 <rmk0_> there haven't been many applications for the position
20151007 12:36:18 <elect> for which reason do you think, skill or interest lacking ?
20151007 12:36:27 <rmk0_> no idea
20151007 12:37:17 <zubzub> probably both
20151007 12:38:46 <elect> I'd have never said that for nyc
20151007 12:42:42 <elect> anyway I forwarded to this friend of mine, you never know
20151007 12:42:54 <rmk0_> thanks
20151007 12:44:06 <elect> yep
20151007 12:49:55 <xranby> https://twitter.com/ben_fry/status/651739601501970432 - Best Processing 3 review so far: “no more tears”
20151007 12:50:32 <xranby> people are happy.. processing 3 is using newt for tear free rendering
20151007 12:51:52 <rmk0_> \o/
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20151007 12:52:35 <bruce-> I was wondering how that tweak mode works
20151007 12:52:42 <bruce-> in Processing 3
20151007 12:54:36 <xranby> its really nice.. you start in tweak mode and its fun to goof around while the app is running
20151007 12:54:54 <xranby> changing constants in the code live
20151007 12:55:06 <bruce-> yes I know
20151007 12:55:12 <bruce-> I meant, how is it implemented :)
20151007 12:55:38 <xranby> if i would add such a feature i would use byteman
20151007 12:55:55 <xranby> http://byteman.jboss.org/
20151007 12:56:29 <xranby> i have not looked into what processing 3 uses
20151007 12:56:35 <bruce-> hm, interesting
20151007 12:56:55 <xranby> there is a really cool demo of byteman from one of the fosdem conferences
20151007 12:57:30 <xranby> Karl the gervill soft midi synthesizer author used gervill to make any java application to play midi when it allocated memory
20151007 12:57:41 <xranby> thus karl made it possible to listen for performance issues
20151007 12:59:58 <bruce-> would be nice to have an Intellij plugin that would allow me to do the same thing Processing's tweak mode does
20151007 13:00:00 <xranby> https://vimeo.com/36728751 z- at 20 min into the video
20151007 13:19:26 <zubzub> 14:55 < bruce-> I meant, how is it implemented :)
20151007 13:19:31 <zubzub> probably a jvm agent
20151007 13:19:40 <zubzub> you can use it to change classes at runtime iirc
20151007 13:23:59 <bruce-> I should cut going to the gym, social life and sleeping from my routine. The time I would have…
20151007 13:24:27 <bruce-> oh, also going to work
20151007 13:25:52 <monsieur_max> :)
20151007 13:54:53 <zubzub> and eating
20151007 13:54:57 <zubzub> and going to the toilet
20151007 13:55:13 <zubzub> well, if you stop the first, the second will stop automatically as well
20151007 13:55:14 <zubzub> win win
20151007 14:03:38 <elect> are you a wizard
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20151007 20:05:50 <elect> im reading "the martian"
20151007 20:05:53 <elect> it's awesome
20151007 20:10:05 <Eclesia> I guess I was not really awake when I wrote this one : http://pastebin.com/0xHUjir9 :X
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20151007 21:05:16 <Eclesia> good night ++
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20151007 21:21:52 <sgothel> @Xerxes: Bug 1249: .. details ..
20151007 21:22:13 <sgothel> i.e. visibility true -> false only fails on mentioned platforms for child-windows?
20151007 21:22:39 <sgothel> where visibility false -> true works well for child _and_ top-level windows?
20151007 21:23:25 <sgothel> hence visibility false -> true always works, and true -> false not for child windows on those platforms?
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