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20151011 09:37:57 <xranby_f22> good day!
20151011 09:38:45 <xranby_f22> https://jogamp.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1252 - The "slim" and "fat" deployment options source zip's differ 20Mb in size.
20151011 09:54:04 <xranby_f22> Unpacking the "slim" and "fat" src zip's reveal that they do contain the same files and have the same unpacked footprint.
20151011 09:54:19 <xranby_f22> Conclusion: the jogamp-fat-java-src.zip have much better compression! Question: why is the compression of the "slim" zip's that bad?
20151011 09:56:47 <xranby_f22> sgothel: hi, i started with a fuzzy description because i did not yet have a conclusion why the sizes differed that much
20151011 09:58:16 <sgothel> b/c of compression tech itself?
20151011 09:58:34 <xranby_f22> do we pass different flags when we zip?
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20151011 10:00:12 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/git/?p=jogamp-scripting.git;a=blob;f=jenkins-builds/funcs_promotion.sh;h=3896acbb4c8ff61baeef6a82cdb4ff545431badb;hb=HEAD#l294
20151011 10:00:49 <sgothel> 'compression tech' -> also .. better results could be reached if more data is available
20151011 10:01:08 <xranby_f22> sure.. but getting a 500% better compression ratio is unexpected
20151011 10:01:15 <sgothel> what is 20mb/total ?
20151011 10:01:25 <xranby_f22> 5.8mb vs 28mb
20151011 10:01:25 <sgothel> does it really matter - percentile?
20151011 10:01:43 <sgothel> sum-of-slim-jars will never get loaded
20151011 10:01:48 <sgothel> etc etc
20151011 10:02:04 <sgothel> https://jogamp.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1253 .. see also
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20151011 10:02:18 <xranby_f22> the footprint matters for projects that wants to bundle the zips inside their git
20151011 10:02:29 <xranby_f22> i do consider it a bad habit
20151011 10:02:54 <sgothel> if talking about a source git - yes, it is questionable :)
20151011 10:03:29 <sgothel> but I do question the quality and validity of this bug report here first .. for a 'good morning' :)
20151011 10:03:45 <sgothel> now I had my coffee :)
20151011 10:04:11 <xranby_f22> i restrained myself from filing it yesterday.. did not want to break a good night sleep due to this technicality that do not matter at all for end users
20151011 10:04:40 <sgothel> again: I doubt there is a statement here at all
20151011 10:04:53 <sgothel> but Bug 1253 should be regulary validated
20151011 10:05:18 <sgothel> goody .. on the run .. maybe you find something, in general observing all this is a good thing ofc!
20151011 10:05:20 <sgothel> laters
20151011 10:05:36 <xranby_f22> sgothel: laters!
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20151011 10:15:50 <xranby_f22> sgothel: the answer why the compression level of the "slim" src zips are bad is because we pass level=0 to ant when we create the zip's "level Non-default level at which file compression should be performed. Valid values range from 0 (no compression/fastest) to 9 (maximum compression/slowest)."
20151011 10:29:32 <xranby_f22> and the reason why we use level=0 compression is to benefor form the improved 7z compression when we build the final jogamp-all-platforms.7z
20151011 10:29:37 <xranby_f22> benefit
20151011 10:29:51 <xranby_f22> ok.. all clear.. i agree the bug is invalid
20151011 10:30:11 <xranby_f22> possible that i should file a new bug for removal of the ubuntu fonts from the src zip
20151011 10:30:45 <xranby_f22> i cant see why it should be part of it
20151011 10:31:05 <xranby_f22> why the fonts should be part of the src zip
20151011 10:43:30 <xranby_f22> New launchpad for the #OpenGL and #OpenGL ES databases : http://www.gpuinfo.org/
20151011 10:55:08 <rmk0> logo links to http://www.gpuinfo.org/www.gpuinfo.org
20151011 10:55:10 <rmk0> oops!
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20151011 11:05:03 <xranby_f22> rmk0: nice find.. i have sent a patch proposal https://github.com/SaschaWillems/gpuinfo.org/compare/master...xranby:patch-1
20151011 11:05:34 <xranby_f22> https://github.com/SaschaWillems/gpuinfo.org/pull/1
20151011 11:05:53 <rmk0> \o/
20151011 11:06:01 <rmk0> wonder how he missed that...
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20151011 11:28:30 <xranby_f22> http://jogamp.org/log/stats/jogamp.org.201510.html "Setup ('/home/jogamp_web/awstats/config/awstats.jogamp.org.conf' file, web server or permissions) may be wrong."
20151011 11:28:58 <xranby_f22> last months statistics work ok http://jogamp.org/log/stats/jogamp.org.201509.html
20151011 11:29:56 <rmk0> i get a serious-looking perl error at the top of that broken page
20151011 11:30:16 <rmk0> "Error: Can't locate Net/XWhois.pm in @INC"
20151011 11:43:12 <xranby_f22> i see the same..
20151011 12:05:42 <elect> so, I just finished to run my test
20151011 12:05:59 <elect> resolution is screwed and the second vertical monitor is a copy of my main horizontal onw
20151011 12:06:05 <elect> I'll try to reboot
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20151011 12:16:12 <xranby_f22> elect: hi, there are some of the multimonotor tests that when terminated due to an assert that your monitor configuration is diffrent compared to the build bots, leaves the monitors in an odd state.
20151011 12:17:21 <xranby_f22> when you say the resolution is screwed... can you exaplin what you see?
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20151011 12:18:48 <Eclesia> hi
20151011 12:18:52 <xranby_f22> hello!
20151011 12:25:20 <xranby_f22> Eclesia: do you want a pull request for jogamp 2.3.1 to 2.3.2 ? it will make your project compatible with the latest nvidia beta drivers
20151011 12:26:34 <xranby_f22> BUILD SUCCESS
20151011 12:27:07 <Eclesia> I'm on the last 2.3.2-rc, was waiting for the final release to change push it
20151011 12:27:33 <Eclesia> I didn't see any issues, you just changed the dependency version that's all ?
20151011 12:29:33 <Eclesia> xranby_f22: ?
20151011 12:30:02 <xranby_f22> yes i only changed the dependency version
20151011 12:30:43 <xranby_f22> https://bitbucket.org/xranby/unlicense/commits/616c204471757ad93abfcb584317fbfb88b85edf
20151011 12:35:37 <Eclesia> xranby_f22: that should be better then a merge request ^^ héhé.
20151011 12:46:51 <xranby_f22> https://bitbucket.org/Eclesia/unlicense/commits/616c204471757ad93abfcb584317fbfb88b85edf
20151011 12:46:55 <xranby_f22> done
20151011 12:47:23 <Eclesia> *clap clap clap* Banzai for xranby_f22 :D
20151011 12:47:50 <xranby_f22> hurray, i dint realize that i had write access :D
20151011 12:48:15 <Eclesia> christmas before christmas
20151011 12:50:20 * Eclesia has 2 users ... a start of a community ^^
20151011 12:55:07 <xranby_f22> :3
20151011 12:55:34 * xranby_f22 continue socialize with all the jogamp using projects offering 2.3.2 updates
20151011 12:56:52 <xranby_f22> pullrequest filed to glg2d https://github.com/brandonborkholder/glg2d/pull/29
20151011 13:04:36 <xranby_f22> http://www.slashgear.com/nvidia-sues-samsung-qualcomm-for-patent-infringement-05344908/ <- gah!
20151011 13:05:17 <xranby_f22> common
20151011 13:06:22 <sgothel> nvidia invented the GPU .. hear hear :)
20151011 13:06:27 <xranby_f22> "our foundational invention, the GPU, which puts onto a single chip all the functions necessary to process graphics and light up screens"
20151011 13:06:34 <xranby_f22> "our invention of programmable shading, which allows non-experts to program sophisticated graphics"
20151011 13:06:45 <xranby_f22> "our invention of unified shaders, which allow every processing unit in the GPU to be used for different purposes"
20151011 13:06:47 <sgothel> for that alone they should get beaten ..
20151011 13:06:54 <xranby_f22> "our invention of multithreaded parallel processing in GPUs, which enables processing to occur concurrently on separate threads while accessing the same memory and other resources"
20151011 13:07:13 <sgothel> cough cough
20151011 13:07:20 <xranby_f22> *rolls eyes*
20151011 13:07:54 <sgothel> ok .. let me think a bit .. SGI, ATI + the shader inventors ..
20151011 13:08:10 <xranby_f22> 3dfx
20151011 13:08:15 <sgothel> nah
20151011 13:08:52 <sgothel> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/51428-3dlabs-counters-nvidia-claims
20151011 13:08:53 <sgothel> 3dlabs
20151011 13:09:52 <sgothel> http://www.dgp.toronto.edu/~lessig/OpenGL/gpu.pdf
20151011 13:10:50 <sgothel> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shading_language
20151011 13:12:41 <sgothel> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shader
20151011 13:12:54 <sgothel> Pixar with their "RenderMan Interface Specification, Version 3.0" originally published in May, 1988.
20151011 13:15:10 <xranby_f22> hmm the news i posted is a year old
20151011 13:15:10 <xranby_f22> i wonder then what became the verdict
20151011 13:15:10 <xranby_f22> if they really took it to court
20151011 13:15:10 <xranby_f22> http://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-files-complaints-against-samsung-and-qualcomm-for-infringing-its-gpu-patents http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/09/04/nvidia-launches-patent-suits/
20151011 13:20:05 <xranby_f22> ok have a good day, i am on the run
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20151011 14:16:00 <elect> resolution seemed to be slightly bigger than my monitor
20151011 14:16:21 <elect> so for example I couldnt see the line when you type in my hexchat irc client
20151011 14:16:56 <elect> btw
20151011 14:16:57 <elect> https://www.wetransfer.com/downloads/0619dbfb21ba06d322d6522b97f39caf20151011121833/3c0ec6931527fdb0475d11698b3f32e520151011121833/6e95b3
20151011 14:17:07 <elect> that is my jogl-2.4-bmanual-20151011-linux-amd64-test-results-local.7z
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20151011 15:40:12 <sgothel> elect .. like 24h hours late w/ test results - hope they don't show anything concerning :)
20151011 15:59:25 <sgothel> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-11/what-real-fking-news-would-look :)
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20151011 16:56:14 <elect> sgothel, I registered the domain jogamp.tk one year ago when I was testing the Discourse platform
20151011 16:56:29 <elect> it's gonna expire on Oct 21, do you need it?
20151011 16:56:37 <sgothel> no thx
20151011 16:56:50 <sgothel> tk for turkey .. ?
20151011 16:57:07 <elect> no, it's new zealand
20151011 16:57:16 <elect> tk are those free domains
20151011 16:57:35 <sgothel> nope
20151011 16:57:41 <elect> ok
20151011 16:57:43 <sgothel> have you found anything in your tests?
20151011 16:57:58 <elect> I greped as xranby1 said
20151011 16:58:03 <elect> no exception or assert
20151011 16:58:06 <sgothel> good
20151011 16:58:07 <elect> clean
20151011 16:58:28 <elect> i5, GTX 680, 15.04 x64
20151011 16:58:48 <sgothel> the quality of your wiki API overview page .. I mean if you can talk about quality given the little text ..
20151011 16:58:56 <sgothel> any more pages .. have I missed anything?
20151011 16:59:14 <sgothel> ok .. so do we need to talk about technical writings?
20151011 16:59:24 <elect> what you mean?
20151011 16:59:36 <elect> grammatically?
20151011 16:59:46 <elect> I didnt write further for the moment
20151011 16:59:47 <sgothel> i.e. blog post style vs technical writings (scientific, ..)
20151011 16:59:51 <elect> but it's on the todo
20151011 16:59:57 <sgothel> hmm
20151011 17:00:36 <elect> what I think it'd be interesting it is a detailed explanation why we have static GL
20151011 17:00:46 <elect> basically, why using jogl over lwjgl
20151011 17:00:51 <sgothel> your style is more subjective ..
20151011 17:01:12 <sgothel> I will cont writing the JOGL Overview page
20151011 17:01:33 <sgothel> and create sections like OpenGL Core, Utils .. Stereo .. etc, reflecting the packages
20151011 17:01:50 <elect> I was gonna write about the texture utils, but then I stop because the dx10 lacking
20151011 17:01:56 <sgothel> I can also copy my email to the wiki
20151011 17:02:06 <elect> and never went further since then
20151011 17:02:15 <sgothel> yeah, and again - me not so satisfied w/ style
20151011 17:02:33 <elect> feel free to modify it
20151011 17:02:35 <sgothel> so maybe a good thing if you concentrate on your 1st commit, to make it through
20151011 17:03:25 <elect> the texture support?
20151011 17:04:05 <sgothel> Well, you have that bug/feature assigned and you are working on it right?
20151011 17:04:17 <elect> yes
20151011 17:04:24 <elect> mainly on the textures
20151011 17:04:46 <sgothel> so my advise: finish it
20151011 17:05:10 <elect> I reached somehow a stable point now
20151011 17:05:21 <elect> I have to catch g-truck up about the last updates
20151011 17:05:36 <elect> there are still some bugs with some texture formats
20151011 17:05:43 <elect> but 80% works
20151011 17:06:07 <sgothel> source code w/ references + unit tests
20151011 17:06:12 <elect> maybe I'd need to start gathering feedbacks
20151011 17:06:45 <sgothel> i.e. request for review via bug report and an explicit git branch of yours
20151011 17:06:53 <sgothel> (which can be pulled later on)
20151011 17:08:26 <sgothel> your claimed 80% should be covered by unit tests if possible ofc
20151011 17:09:26 <sgothel> while I had to make a fix in the Texture class, I realized its .. poor quality and lack of completion
20151011 17:10:29 <elect> I find quite hard working directly on the jogl project
20151011 17:10:40 <sgothel> i.e. a quite fuzzy state regarding cubemaps etc
20151011 17:10:58 <sgothel> and why is this?
20151011 17:11:09 <elect> I am working a separate project, I'd integrate than that later in jogl when ready
20151011 17:11:23 <elect> I rely basically only on the ide
20151011 17:11:47 <elect> I got a lot of errors/problems trying even to run a simple test
20151011 17:11:50 <elect> from the ide
20151011 17:11:54 <sgothel> that is fine (separate project) - still we can review it and see your unit tests
20151011 17:12:01 <elect> ok
20151011 17:12:08 <sgothel> well, you have to learn that anyhow ..
20151011 17:12:23 <sgothel> i.e. the other way of using an IDE w/ JOGL development itself
20151011 17:12:30 <elect> I use the terminal only in case of problems
20151011 17:13:55 <sgothel> lets see how it goes - send explicit email for review invitation who is familiar w/ the case
20151011 17:14:08 <sgothel> maybe Eclesia can join
20151011 17:14:53 <sgothel> then maybe .. if you are lucky, somebody is reading and complaining :)
20151011 17:15:14 <elect> ok, through github?
20151011 17:15:15 <sgothel> Since Harvey 'left' .. well, nobody reviewed my code for quite some time :(
20151011 17:15:34 <sgothel> email invitation
20151011 17:16:00 <sgothel> oh you mean .. how to discuss? hmm, usually I would say .. either here .. bugreport ..
20151011 17:16:11 <sgothel> github will not be persistent ..
20151011 17:16:15 <elect> no, the emails
20151011 17:16:16 <sgothel> so serious issues -> bugzilla
20151011 17:16:43 <sgothel> yeah, don't we have all our emails at hand?
20151011 17:17:04 <sgothel> I use the bugzilla ones .. usually
20151011 17:17:09 <elect> ..no, I'll grab them on bugzilla
20151011 17:18:24 <sgothel> goody
20151011 19:53:55 <rmk0> harvey's gone?
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20151011 20:59:47 <sgothel> well, not 'gone for the world' .. but busy otherwise .. diff job, and less software
20151011 21:00:18 <sgothel> maybe he finds some spare time playing w/ jogamp .. who knows?
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20151012 02:05:16 <sgothel> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_processing_unit#History .. good morning
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