#jogamp @ irc.freenode.net - 20131219 05:05:33 (UTC)
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20131219 06:28:48 <sgothel> good morning
20131219 08:14:45 <[Mike]> good mornin!
20131219 08:16:14 <[Mike]> sgothel: I read you won the bid on the phones. They ship soon?
20131219 08:19:48 <sgothel> I hope so ..
20131219 08:19:58 <sgothel> why do you ask ?
20131219 08:25:54 <[Mike]> Well I was reading more about the jolla phone. Seems interesting, and we don't have it in the states either.
20131219 08:26:36 <sgothel> so go ebay as I did .. like +150 EUR :)
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20131219 11:07:56 <xranby> good morning
20131219 11:08:55 <xranby> [Mike] sgothel: irony... http://shop.jolla.com/ 4 hours ago "BREAKING!!! #Jolla will finally be available to order online in Europe, for all EU, Norway and Switzerland customers later this week via the online store at http://shop.jolla.com/ Initially Jolla will have the Jolla device in store. other items, such as other halves and batteries, will be included at a later stage. HAPPY HOLIDAYS FOLKS!!!!"
20131219 11:09:12 <xranby> sgothel: at least you got one of the rare the first one back covers :)
20131219 11:09:51 <xranby> i wodner if that means they will ship the phone without battery?
20131219 11:23:44 <sgothel> :)
20131219 11:24:11 <sgothel> hope the 'first' is not worse :)
20131219 11:33:01 <xranby> they recommend you to install the software updates
20131219 11:33:25 <sgothel> (I mean the hardware batches .. chip revision .. and stuff)
20131219 11:35:38 <sgothel> Bug 924: got some remedies ..
20131219 11:36:57 <xranby> xwininfo a good brand of X11 xray googles. i will test
20131219 11:39:04 <sgothel> also solved another fullscreen-out issue w/ Kwin .. good ..
20131219 11:39:48 <sgothel> the Mesa-Intel issue is not triggered (re-associate GLContext/GLDrawable)
20131219 11:40:00 <xranby> awesome
20131219 11:40:16 <xranby> a dual barrel bug smasher
20131219 11:56:29 <xranby> http://www.tau.ac.il/~tromer/papers/acoustic-20131218.pdf RSA Key Extraction via Low-Bandwidth Acoustic Cryptanalysis "The attack can extract full 4096-bit RSA decryptionkeys from laptop computers (of various models), within an hour, using the sound generated by thecomputer during the decryption of some chosen ciphertexts."
20131219 11:59:58 <sgothel> jaja .. read that yesterday ..
20131219 12:00:15 <sgothel> quite ridiculous .. but good advertisement for those folks :)
20131219 12:00:33 <sgothel> however, gpg is already fixed
20131219 12:00:55 <sgothel> 'audio sidechannel attack' :)
20131219 12:01:19 <sgothel> next: measure the power consumption sidechannel attack :)
20131219 12:01:39 <sgothel> pushed changes (used fine granular commits ..)
20131219 12:14:26 <xranby> i will test in a moment
20131219 12:16:22 * xranby is currently running jamvm tests for the next icedtea6 1.13 release that is about to get out today
20131219 12:16:55 <sgothel> sweet
20131219 14:17:33 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/deployment/archive/master/gluegen_757-joal_507-jogl_1176-jocl_890-signed/
20131219 14:41:57 <xranby> sgothel: it work! :D
20131219 14:42:03 <xranby> well done
20131219 14:42:27 <sgothel> relieved :) .. good finding
20131219 14:42:33 <xranby> i tested the signed build and are hammering my keyboard in all sorts of funny non remantically correct ways
20131219 14:42:39 <xranby> and it simly work
20131219 14:42:41 <xranby> simply
20131219 14:42:44 <sgothel> so this could result in to bug reports: Unity WM and Mesa/Intel
20131219 14:42:56 <sgothel> nice
20131219 14:43:12 <sgothel> *in two*
20131219 14:43:42 <xranby> hmm try r r a
20131219 14:43:48 <xranby> gives a gray window...
20131219 14:43:55 <xranby> bceomes visible again after another r
20131219 14:44:12 <sgothel> you mean 'always on top' while being a child ?
20131219 14:44:33 <xranby> always on top after reparent back inside the browser
20131219 14:44:41 <xranby> another semantically interesting test
20131219 14:45:27 <sgothel> don't see this here ..
20131219 14:45:58 <xranby> for me it triggers all the time.. r r a = gray window
20131219 14:46:18 <sgothel> from 'scratch', i.e. start applet ?
20131219 14:47:01 <sgothel> #1 r (top)
20131219 14:47:05 <sgothel> #2 r (child)
20131219 14:47:14 <sgothel> #3 a (alsways on top - ok)
20131219 14:47:35 <sgothel> but 'a' doesn't really do anything .. hmm
20131219 14:49:19 <sgothel> ah ..
20131219 14:49:30 <sgothel> reparent breaks 'a' .. reverse logic .. ooops
20131219 14:49:38 <xranby> for me: firefox http://jogamp.org/deployment/archive/master/gluegen_757-joal_507-jogl_1176-jocl_890-signed/jogl-applet-runner-newt-gears-normal-napplet.html
20131219 14:49:43 <xranby> r r a = gray window
20131219 14:49:53 <xranby> the console still report that something is rendered
20131219 14:50:04 <xranby> r brings back visuals
20131219 14:50:58 <xranby> WM = Unity OS = 32 bit Ubuntu 12.04 plugin = IcedTea-Web Plugin (using IcedTea-Web 1.5pre+rbb1f288a297a+)
20131219 14:51:42 <sgothel> well, me using 13.10 .. etc .. default plugin
20131219 14:54:17 <xranby> same thing using 12.04 IcedTea-Web Plugin (using IcedTea-Web 1.2.3 (1.2.3-0ubuntu0.12.04.3))
20131219 14:55:43 <xranby> jvm: java version "1.6.0_27"
20131219 14:55:43 <xranby> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.12.6) (6b27-1.12.6-1ubuntu0.12.04.4)
20131219 14:55:43 <xranby> OpenJDK Server VM (build 20.0-b12, mixed mode)
20131219 14:56:13 <sgothel> I tested w/ version as posted in Bug 924
20131219 14:56:27 <xranby> ok, i can live with that one
20131219 14:56:36 <xranby> as long as it is working with the latest version
20131219 14:56:38 <sgothel> very generous :)
20131219 14:56:54 <xranby> it is not crashing and it is recoverable
20131219 14:57:11 <sgothel> still 'a' is not being preserved after reparenting .. hmm .. checking
20131219 14:57:21 <xranby> and all is working as long as i stay away from using the always on top while inside the browser (which does not make any sense )
20131219 14:57:55 <xranby> always on top work ok while outside the browser inside a separate window
20131219 14:57:57 <sgothel> yes - programmatically wise no issue .. and crash was for sure the worst thing
20131219 14:58:10 <sgothel> here not: ar
20131219 14:58:22 <sgothel> i.e. the new top-child is not 'a'
20131219 15:00:25 <xranby> ok same here... a r do not make the new window 'a'
20131219 15:00:29 <xranby> a r a work
20131219 15:01:02 <sgothel> yup .. sure
20131219 15:01:09 <sgothel> so the state is 'lost' .. ok .. well :)
20131219 15:01:24 <xranby> i am really happy with this version
20131219 15:02:10 <xranby> a inside the browser window.. i dont really know what to expect to be honest :) make the browser always on top? :)
20131219 15:02:22 <xranby> thus it is a non issue
20131219 15:02:53 <sgothel> yes, but 'a' should be preserved .. and reinforced when becoming a top-win
20131219 15:04:56 <sgothel> btw .. who is guilty of the weirdo plugin splash graphics ? :)
20131219 15:05:22 <xranby> ah.. thats the work of art by one of the redhat interns
20131219 15:05:45 <sgothel> (brrrr)
20131219 15:05:50 <xranby> i guess there is no art critics review
20131219 15:05:51 <sgothel> yes, 'a' is lost by WM
20131219 15:05:54 <sgothel> Window state:
20131219 15:05:54 <sgothel> Focused
20131219 15:06:17 <xranby> they surely accept a new proposal
20131219 15:07:30 <sgothel> where is Dominik when you need him ? :)
20131219 15:07:56 <sgothel> (But Xerxes is an artist as well ..hmm :)
20131219 15:09:36 <xranby> the current splash is swing based surely we need something else for jweb
20131219 15:09:43 <xranby> that is using newt
20131219 15:09:59 <sgothel> 'spinning gears' :)
20131219 15:10:27 <xranby> why not
20131219 15:12:20 <xranby> gears are an indication that cool stuff is happening
20131219 15:12:29 <xranby> and normal people have not seen the gears every day
20131219 15:12:37 <xranby> and we know they work on all platforms we support
20131219 15:12:51 <xranby> thus they are perfect
20131219 15:13:28 <sgothel> :)
20131219 15:13:42 <sgothel> 'a' re-inforce on -> top works
20131219 15:13:45 <xranby> the only negative comment i have about them is that they looklike "mickey"
20131219 15:13:58 <sgothel> now re-evaluating FS and ALT-TAB .. regression ..
20131219 15:14:26 <sgothel> and me: the ALIASING
20131219 15:16:18 <xranby> ok lets make a better one.. i suggest http://www.authenticmaya.com/images/calend/calend2.jpg
20131219 15:16:32 <xranby> displaying todays date while jweb loads
20131219 15:17:17 <xranby> http://www.authenticmaya.com/calendar.htm
20131219 15:33:58 <xranby> maybe spinning fast while start of load and slows down to stop on todays combination when done loading
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20131219 18:20:15 <sgothel> Another Unity/Compiz WM bug: 'Unredirect Fullscreen Windows := True' disables the ALT-TAB taskbar/launcher HUD rendering and subsequent task-switch. Hence it shall be disabled .. nothing we can do here.
20131219 18:30:11 <sgothel> Heading to Bug 925 ..
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20131219 19:33:26 <xranby-64> the best community service we can do is to report such bugs to the compiz team
20131219 19:35:19 <xranby-64> sgothel: the samsung galaxy note 3 reports that the es3 context is es2 compatible
20131219 19:35:30 <xranby-64> is this a case when gles2 may be accepted?
20131219 19:35:58 <sgothel> samsung galaxy note 3 reports: who does the report and how ?
20131219 19:35:59 <xranby-64> like in this picture https://twitter.com/xranby/status/409430623833427968/photo/1
20131219 19:36:51 <xranby-64> GLES3 true [3.0 (ES profile, ES2 compat, ES3 compat, FBO, hardware)]
20131219 19:37:14 <sgothel> yup .. turning heads :)
20131219 19:37:40 <xranby-64> in this case gles2 should be == true ?
20131219 19:37:57 <sgothel> 'I will look inside me' .. and maybe do the es2 < es3 thingy .. however, I will target the ES3 detection/acceptance first
20131219 19:38:43 <sgothel> again: still not too convinced about the true compatibility .. (those shared objects .. etc) - but will check how much code we need to change for it
20131219 19:39:20 <xranby-64> thank you, i am tossing this picture in to spice up the discussion
20131219 19:39:39 <sgothel> the 'es2_compat' is simply an impl. extension :)
20131219 19:40:20 <sgothel> your spices .. hot sir :)
20131219 20:09:41 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/deployment/archive/master/gluegen_757-joal_507-jogl_1177-jocl_891-signed/
20131219 20:10:00 <sgothel> ('ar' fix, and fs alt-tab fix)
20131219 20:16:45 <sgothel> 'ar' still doesn't work .. 'great'
20131219 20:31:52 <sgothel> @Mark: GLES3 true [3.0 (ES profile, ES2 compat, ES3 compat, FBO, software)]
20131219 20:32:10 <sgothel> GL_VENDOR VMware, Inc.
20131219 20:32:10 <sgothel> GL_RENDERER Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.3, 128 bits)
20131219 20:32:10 <sgothel> GL_VERSION 2.1 Mesa 9.2.2
20131219 20:37:07 <rmk0> nice
20131219 20:37:25 <sgothel> (na sw - but you mentioned gallium and the es3 bit)
20131219 20:37:49 <sgothel> dinner .. will need to look for this radeon support .. laters
20131219 20:38:10 <rmk0> will try 1177 later on, byeee!
20131219 21:07:57 <xranby-64> sgothel: on my machine the applet steal all keyboard focus ... thus i cant edit the firefox url
20131219 21:08:15 <xranby-64> i wonder if this is icedtea-web's fault
20131219 21:08:27 <xranby-64> can you check with oracles plugin?
20131219 21:09:56 <xranby-64> possibly firefox failtt?
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