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20140205 09:55:19 <xranby> jvanek: good morning
20140205 09:56:08 <xranby> jvanek: the video recording from the FOSDEM Ji Gong talk is now online: https://jogamp.org/doc/fosdem2014/
20140205 09:56:08 <jvanek> good morning :)
20140205 09:56:17 <jvanek> How was fodem?
20140205 09:56:23 <jvanek> jup. Great!
20140205 09:56:25 <xranby> it was crowded as usual
20140205 09:56:33 <xranby> good talks in between sessions
20140205 09:56:38 <jvanek> Was jogamp (and jweb O:) ) sucessfull?
20140205 09:56:40 <xranby> and good sessions
20140205 09:57:00 <xranby> we demonstrated an awt-less plugin running on a traditional gnu linux x11 system
20140205 09:57:22 <xranby> thus showcased a solution that can work on all platforms
20140205 09:57:47 <xranby> by clearly define the plugins role without forcing any specific ui toolkit on the user
20140205 09:58:30 <xranby> the plugin clearly explose the native window and clearly separate the plugin lifecycle
20140205 09:59:33 <jvanek> nice :)
20140205 09:59:41 <jvanek> Do you mind I f I mention your project on devconf?
20140205 10:00:13 <jvanek> I have an presentation about ITW (as regularly) and this is defintley the most interesting "project on itw outside itw" :)
20140205 10:00:19 <xranby> it was good to talk to the redhat team about the arm 64 bit port and redhats commitment to keep enterprise icedtea-web applications running
20140205 10:00:19 <xranby> thus keep sandboxed applets running
20140205 10:00:24 <xranby> in the icedtea-web project like they are now
20140205 10:00:42 <xranby> please that would be awesome
20140205 10:01:44 <xranby> you can link to this fosdem talk doc url for example https://jogamp.org/doc/fosdem2014/ and code https://jogamp.org/git/?p=jigong/icedtea-web.git
20140205 10:01:49 <xranby> for example
20140205 10:02:06 <xranby> you are free like in the 4 freedoms :)
20140205 10:03:32 <xranby> sgothel added some speedup improvements that make icedtea-web responsive to reload plugins and switching to new applications
20140205 10:06:23 <jvanek> :))
20140205 10:18:12 <sgothel> @jvanek: Feel free to also use the ODP document in our jogamp.org git repo, if you like to copy/paste things
20140205 10:18:28 <jvanek> sgothel, :))
20140205 10:18:29 <jvanek> thanx!
20140205 10:18:40 <jvanek> Then I will copy paste one more page ;)
20140205 10:20:05 <sgothel> For the native-window thingy, I am unsure about the window position fields and notify hooks - since plugin cannot properly deliver it - at least not update this info.
20140205 10:20:35 <sgothel> So this may go away .. again, but just a tiny detail - and we have to see how it works on OSX
20140205 10:20:47 <jvanek> and on windows :)
20140205 10:20:58 <jvanek> we have at least one javaws windows guy :
20140205 10:20:59 <jvanek> :)
20140205 10:21:36 <sgothel> I mention OSX, b/c the plugin API states no native window parenting - hence position and clipping maybe required ..
20140205 10:21:43 <sgothel> Windows .. is like X11
20140205 10:21:46 <jvanek> I see
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20140205 10:23:36 <sgothel> browsing a bit through NoSQL (OODBMS) impl. in Java .. hmm 'orientdb' seems to be nice
20140205 10:24:04 <sgothel> https://github.com/orientechnologies/orientdb/wiki/Java-API
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20140205 10:24:32 <sgothel> https://github.com/orientechnologies/orientdb
20140205 10:24:53 <sgothel> even though they claim small footprint, still 1MB ..
20140205 10:25:05 <jvanek> sgothel, I guess you are the guy wit xranby on fosdem video?
20140205 10:25:24 <sgothel> yup, me the 'big one' :)
20140205 10:25:29 <jvanek> nice to meet you ;)
20140205 10:25:41 <xranby> :)
20140205 10:27:19 <jvanek> was there Oracle guys o fosdem?
20140205 10:27:25 <jvanek> Mark Rainhold or similar?
20140205 10:27:54 <sgothel> I guess so, but I haven't looked out for 'em
20140205 10:28:17 <jvanek> I would be wondering what they thought about the... quite spread ORacle's FUD :)
20140205 10:28:28 <jvanek> quite wisde spread
20140205 10:28:32 <sgothel> they know all this ..
20140205 10:28:35 <jvanek> :(
20140205 10:28:41 <xranby> we have recived possitive comments from the oracle employees
20140205 10:28:50 <jvanek> nice !
20140205 10:29:05 <sgothel> really ? then I missed that one
20140205 10:29:26 <jvanek> not os nice ;(
20140205 10:29:37 <xranby> like Monica Beckwith who work with oracle performance tuning said "Hi Xerxes. Nice work on JiGong. I am sorry I didn't come and introduce myself at FOSDEM. But I wanted to thank & congrats you on yr work."
20140205 10:30:01 <sgothel> but your colleagues .. the A... well, looks like awareness is there - but they are trying to do it from the inside - the 'freedom' thingy :)
20140205 10:30:02 <jvanek> She is ex oracle isnt her?
20140205 10:30:51 <jvanek> the A? :D
20140205 10:30:59 <sgothel> so all-in-all .. it is important to have this Ji Gong edge from the outside, since otherwise people like to keep their job
20140205 10:31:00 <xranby> Mark Reinhold was in the audience and smiled when we cheered for the modular JVM implementation in OpenJDK 8
20140205 10:31:18 <jvanek> :mmnt I;m on
20140205 10:31:23 <jvanek> * 7:30
20140205 10:31:35 <xranby> i have some pictures on my camera... maybe i should make a panorama of the room
20140205 10:31:40 <sgothel> so let them keep their job - they don't make the decisions anyway :)
20140205 10:31:41 <jvanek> :D
20140205 10:31:51 <jvanek> not easy task to make panorma from living thing ;)
20140205 10:32:46 <jvanek> *of
20140205 10:33:08 <sgothel> IMHO .. if we simply pull away their ridiculous business case (which doesn't work anyways) - it's easier for them :)
20140205 10:33:19 <jvanek> try to explain to them :)
20140205 10:33:28 <sgothel> no need .. just by reality
20140205 10:33:34 <jvanek> yah :(
20140205 10:34:46 <xranby> A like in Andrew Dinn
20140205 10:35:34 <xranby> who we had nice discussions with about the future of hotspot developement and the shift of power within the openjdk project
20140205 10:36:08 <sgothel> the 'from the inside' approach ..
20140205 10:36:15 <xranby> its good to see redhat running openjdk 6 on its rules
20140205 10:36:32 <sgothel> and us for simply ignoring all JCPs JEPs etc .. from the outside :)
20140205 10:36:35 <xranby> there are many Andrew's in redhat
20140205 10:37:08 <sgothel> the important thing IMHO is that IcedTea need to replace the TCK in the long run
20140205 10:37:18 <sgothel> (no need to call it Java anyways)
20140205 10:37:47 <sgothel> since they can use the TCK .. this should be sort of easy .. i.e. compare results etc, maybe
20140205 10:37:53 <sgothel> (tedious ofc)
20140205 10:39:09 <sgothel> TCK minus AWT and all the other non-core stuff that is
20140205 10:42:15 <sgothel> http://hamsterdb.com/ .. another candidate (NoSQL, Java, ..)
20140205 10:43:23 <jvanek> TCK is proprietary
20140205 10:43:30 <sgothel> duh! :)
20140205 10:43:43 <sgothel> (thats why it's required to replace it)
20140205 10:43:57 <sgothel> i.e. a no-way for free software
20140205 10:43:59 <jvanek> you mean write oewn specificationt ests?
20140205 10:44:08 <jvanek> then we can write own specification ...
20140205 10:44:13 <sgothel> and validate it against TCK .. maybe, yes
20140205 10:44:21 <sgothel> that as well .. sure
20140205 10:44:41 <sgothel> finally one can use junit .. then .. TCK is quite ugly
20140205 10:45:55 <jvanek> ugh
20140205 10:45:58 <jvanek> yes they are ugly
20140205 10:46:11 <jvanek> but testing many things where I'mnot sure how junit will pas
20140205 10:46:21 <jvanek> mostly the native stuff in my mind
20140205 10:46:40 <sgothel> there is a cppunit as well :)
20140205 10:47:02 <sgothel> but .. however it's done - it will be free then
20140205 10:50:37 <xranby> https://twitter.com/xranby/status/431016840987279360/photo/1 - Panorama of the #JiGong #JogAmp talks audience at #FOSDEM 2014 Free Java Devroom.
20140205 10:51:34 <sgothel> light and shadow :) - when did you took that one ? I thought I was there :)
20140205 10:51:34 <xranby> i used the "hugin" software to produce this!
20140205 10:51:58 <xranby> i simply captured 3 pictures with my phone
20140205 10:52:05 <xranby> ... and post processed it 5min ago
20140205 10:52:39 <sgothel> nice nice
20140205 10:52:49 <xranby> i wonder if it would be possible to add the rest of the images from the video :)
20140205 10:52:56 <xranby> to have 360 degree panorama
20140205 10:53:25 <sgothel> yeah, video has a sweep through audience at the end .. right
20140205 11:16:53 <xranby> step 1: extract images from video: ffmpeg -i jigong.mp4 -r 1 frames/jigong-frame-%03d.jpg
20140205 11:17:15 <xranby> step 2: load images into panorama stitcher
20140205 11:49:01 <sgothel> http://hamsterdb.com/licensing/exceptions 'FOSS License Exceptions' .. a nice notion
20140205 11:56:40 <rmk0_> any sign of a nosql database that's type-safe and has schemas?
20140205 11:56:44 <rmk0_> and 'lo
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20140205 11:57:07 <sgothel> orientdb seems to have it all .. hmm
20140205 11:57:14 * rmk0 eyes it
20140205 11:57:28 <sgothel> i.e. you can specify what type a vertex shall have
20140205 11:57:33 * monsieur_max eyes it too
20140205 11:57:45 <rmk0> you may've noticed that they typically throw away SQL but then also throw away types and schemas too
20140205 11:57:55 <sgothel> you can also use POJO (plain ole java object) but it's not as fast ..
20140205 11:58:23 <sgothel> yeah .. the graph seems to be maintained programmatically .. but need to dive in
20140205 11:59:16 <sgothel> looking for 2 scenarios here: [1] Caching jar files etc (ITW) in regards to URL etc ; [2] Persistence for Graph-UI
20140205 11:59:41 <sgothel> [2b] maybe even memory mapped ..
20140205 12:00:36 <jvanek> studiesike hugin walked bit ow way since my
20140205 12:00:52 <jvanek> * looks like hugine walked bit ow way since my studies
20140205 12:02:37 <sgothel> https://github.com/orientechnologies/orientdb/wiki/GraphDB-Comparison
20140205 12:02:47 <sgothel> https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnx0b2t5b3RlY2hzdXp1bXVyYWxhYmVuZ3xneDoyMGRiOGFlM2Y2OGY5Mzhj
20140205 12:18:37 <xranby> https://twitter.com/xranby/status/431039041157345280/photo/1 - Panorama extracted from the #JiGong #JogAmp talk video at #FOSDEM 2014 Free Java Devroom.
20140205 12:19:47 <xranby> it was quite messy to extract panoramas from videos.. the stitching software did not handle zooming in the video that well thus you had to select a subset of the video images
20140205 12:20:18 <xranby> ok happy experiments
20140205 12:20:32 <sgothel> looks nice :)
20140205 12:21:11 <sgothel> maybe push both to repo ?
20140205 12:21:33 <sgothel> in orig size .. or somewhere on server
20140205 12:22:00 <xranby> can do!
20140205 12:24:00 <sgothel> ITW sieve: if header :contains "Subject" "tiger" { ..} .. oh dear :)
20140205 12:24:19 <sgothel> } elsif address :contains ["To", "Cc"] ["distro-pkg-dev@openjdk.java.net"] {
20140205 12:24:19 <sgothel> if header :contains "Subject" "icedtea-web" {
20140205 12:24:19 <sgothel> fileinto "Develop.Java/0-ml-icedtea-web";
20140205 12:24:22 <sgothel> .. I mean :)
20140205 12:24:39 <xranby> i will add the panoramas to the https://jogamp.org/doc/fosdem2014/ page
20140205 12:24:49 <xranby> after the text
20140205 12:24:54 <sgothel> cool
20140205 12:41:15 <xranby> sgothel: https://github.com/xranby/jogamp.org/commit/8193733ca5e93e906c56bae5db2665f967bdaa68
20140205 12:43:15 <sgothel> sweet .. pulled, pushed and pulled :)
20140205 12:44:42 <xranby> neat.. its online and live
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20140205 13:29:04 <sgothel> http://vimeo.com/47671574 <- Nice OrientDB Overview Talk
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20140205 15:30:57 <xranby> hmm is http://jogamp.org/blog/ update running?
20140205 15:32:50 <sgothel> hanging processes .. killed them ..
20140205 15:33:43 <sgothel> in now :)
20140205 15:34:27 <sgothel> rotated pics would be nice .. maybe :)
20140205 15:35:30 <xranby> yes.. i have to check the server.. and maye update wordpress
20140205 15:35:54 <xranby> its possible to rotate the pictures on the server using the latest version etc
20140205 15:36:41 <sgothel> nice blog
20140205 15:39:53 <sgothel> and the panorama bands really make the page awesome
20140205 15:43:42 <sgothel> ok, OrientDB itself seems to be too big for use case [1] (caching jars etc)
20140205 15:44:05 <sgothel> (it also has JNA dependencies .. sure, could be removed)
20140205 15:44:27 <sgothel> (btw: Eclesia contributes to it as well - KUDOS)
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20140205 16:07:35 <sgothel> @Xerxes: That integrator dude from the company I do not endorse .. maybe a good time to get in touch with him to solve build issues on other platforms ?
20140205 16:07:42 <sgothel> I forgot name .. etc
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20140205 16:22:07 <sgothel> still earmarking OrientDB .. couldn't find anything smaller (document subset) .. probably able to patch it to remove JNA
20140205 16:34:26 <rmk0> maybe hsqldb
20140205 16:34:53 <rmk0> it's basically sqlite for java, but with actual concurrency and supports more SQL than any other database i've seen
20140205 16:35:00 <rmk0> postgres being the next
20140205 16:35:14 <rmk0> the default is memory-backed tables
20140205 16:35:18 <rmk0> so you could use it as a cache
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20140205 16:37:01 <sgothel> *earmarking* .. thx, yup had this in my 'ears' marked too .. will see, surely for graph-ui a graph-db would be cute :)
20140205 16:37:50 <sgothel> Q: is this sun.misc.Unsafe thing available .. err .. ubiquitous ?
20140205 16:38:30 <rmk0> i don't have access to any non oracle or openjdk jvms...
20140205 16:38:50 <sgothel> I like to solve the the GlueGen static MachineDescriptor troubles .. hmm / chicken-egg .. and unforeseen platforms ..
20140205 16:39:24 <sgothel> i.e. if we can avoid just failing on platforms we don't know yet .. properly better :)
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20140205 17:28:49 <sgothel> http://s2014.siggraph.org/
20140205 17:30:01 <sgothel> http://s2014.siggraph.org/submitters/birds-feather-frequently-asked-questions
20140205 17:30:14 <sgothel> Submit a Birds of a Feather session request through the SIGGRAPH 2014 web site no later than 25 July 2014
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20140205 17:35:56 <sgothel> @Harvey: You may give me the 'go' .. or more details .. regarding the BOF data & time ..
20140205 17:36:39 <sgothel> @Xerxes: Belgian chocolate is delicious .. me stealing piece for piece from Qun :)
20140205 17:38:32 <sgothel> Maybe we shall take care that we are incl. in "SIGGRAPH 2014 mobile app"
20140205 17:39:54 <sgothel> Also interesting "Can I schedule a Birds of a Feather event after I arrive in Vancouver? "
20140205 17:40:39 <sgothel> http://s2014.siggraph.org/submitters/courses ?
20140205 17:41:48 <sgothel> "Mobile application development, specifically with a bias toward 3D, augmented reality, and/or mobile user interfaces."
20140205 17:43:25 <sgothel> So I guess I will submit applications for both .. Courses & BOF, Courses .. if we can do this together (preparation .. etc).
20140205 17:43:49 <sgothel> Courses deadline is Tuesday, 18 February 2014
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20140205 19:17:58 <sgothel> http://blog.cr.yp.to/20140205-entropy.html <- "The reason that new entropy is a problem is that each addition of entropy is a new opportunity for a malicious entropy source to control "random" outputs—breaking DSA, leaking secret keys, etc. The conventional wisdom says that hash outputs can't be controlled; the conventional wisdom is simply wrong."
20140205 19:21:26 <rmk0> ooh! didn't know djb had a blog
20140205 19:22:10 <sgothel> new .. advertising his http://ed25519.cr.yp.to/ as included in http://www.openssh.org/txt/release-6.5 :)
20140205 19:22:53 <sgothel> even thought .. the ecliptic curve thingies .. hmmm :)
20140205 19:23:23 <rmk0> surprised he's not released anything quantum-resistant
20140205 19:23:39 <rmk0> would think he'd be spending most of his time on that now
20140205 19:23:41 <sgothel> "quantum-resistant" is relative :)
20140205 19:24:05 <sgothel> as long your key size >> q-bit count .. you should be safe .. I guess
20140205 19:24:58 <sgothel> btw .. you are 'in' for this year's siggraph ?
20140205 19:25:12 <rmk0> where's it?
20140205 19:25:32 <sgothel> in sunny and fresh Vancouver
20140205 19:25:57 <rmk0> argh, was hoping it'd be in europe
20140205 19:26:36 <sgothel> Eurographics .. or GraphiCon is in Europe
20140205 19:28:19 <rmk0> heh, how many of these things do you go to?
20140205 19:29:36 <sgothel> na .. just the ones for which we produce material :)
20140205 19:30:13 <sgothel> GraphiCon was an exemption .. Rami did his paper there.
20140205 19:36:48 <sgothel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_size#Effect_of_quantum_computing_attacks_on_key_strength
20140205 19:38:05 <rmk0> right
20140205 19:38:21 <sgothel> hence our 4k key req. :)
20140205 19:39:44 <rmk0> i wouldn't bet on any system being vulnerable to shor's algorithm being useful for long
20140205 19:39:57 <rmk0> even at 4096
20140205 19:40:00 <sgothel> so DJB just explained how bad Intel's pseudo RNG is .. since the latter spreads real entropy for multiple pseudo RNs
20140205 19:40:26 <sgothel> (in combination w/ DSA .. etc)
20140205 19:41:02 <sgothel> hint: disable hw RNGs ..
20140205 19:46:11 <rmk0> not actually sure how to do that on linux
20140205 19:46:17 <rmk0> not sure if i'm using a hardware RNG here now
20140205 19:46:33 <sgothel> make config
20140205 19:46:43 <rmk0> urgh
20140205 19:47:22 <rmk0> nobody's going to get me to start compiling custom kernels
20140205 19:47:26 <rmk0> nobody!
20140205 19:48:58 <rmk0> would like a decent entropy source
20140205 19:49:16 <rmk0> used to hear recommendations all the time for using the noise from audio inputs, but supposedly that turned out to be a lot less random than people though
20140205 19:49:47 <rmk0> imagine it's intermixed with a lot of interference that's not at all random
20140205 19:50:41 <sgothel> radio signals ?
20140205 19:51:16 <rmk0> might work
20140205 19:51:28 <rmk0> i don't have a receiver on this motherboard that i'm aware of
20140205 19:54:01 <sgothel> CONFIG_HW_RANDOM_INTEL, CONFIG_HW_RANDOM_AMD, .. etc
20140205 19:54:27 <sgothel> (as in >= 3.12)
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20140205 20:28:18 <phao_> Hi
20140205 20:28:27 <sgothel> ho
20140205 20:29:11 <phao_> Is there any tutorial teaching JOGL w/o requiring me to know opengl? I know some of it, but very little. I have no problems going through an opengl with C or C++ guide first, but if I could avoid it, that'd be great =D
20140205 20:29:43 <sgothel> How can you learn cooking w/o knowing the ingredients ?
20140205 20:29:58 <sgothel> However ..
20140205 20:30:19 <sgothel> See demo/unit-test: <http://jogamp.org/git/?p=jogl.git;a=blob;f=src/test/com/jogamp/opengl/test/junit/jogl/demos/es2/newt/TestGearsES2NEWT.java;h=5d5b0c9a1d8d59414e3e0c7b844203a09d9b4b54;hb=HEAD#l464>
20140205 20:30:25 <phao_> I don't really mean NOT learning opengl, because JOGL simply provides wrappers, right?
20140205 20:30:34 <sgothel> walk through this test ..
20140205 20:30:45 <phao_> But books on opengl tend to go through it by using C++ and C, not java and jogl.
20140205 20:30:45 <sgothel> follow our wiki / IDE/Eclipse ..
20140205 20:31:05 <sgothel> and walk through some of the unit tests
20140205 20:31:29 <phao_> ok...
20140205 20:31:35 <sgothel> the methods usually are all well documented (javadoc API), so mouse over etc .. shall give you a good overview
20140205 20:32:04 <sgothel> the GL methods also incl. links to the OpenGL online manual
20140205 20:32:12 <phao_> ok
20140205 20:32:21 <sgothel> however .. a little ES2 primer or something won't hurt
20140205 20:32:28 <phao_> I've seen that the opengl documentation, official one, is fully independent of language.
20140205 20:32:32 <phao_> COuld I learn from there too?
20140205 20:32:38 <phao_> sgothel, ok
20140205 20:32:53 <sgothel> sure .. it's language agnostic
20140205 20:33:12 <sgothel> in our demos, you can learn how to use the JOGL/NEWT specifics
20140205 20:33:35 <sgothel> (managed code .. etc)
20140205 20:33:39 <phao_> ok...
20140205 20:33:42 <phao_> what is NEWT?
20140205 20:34:13 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/wiki/index.php/Jogl_Overview
20140205 20:34:23 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/jogl/doc/Overview-OpenGL-Evolution-And-JOGL.html
20140205 20:34:32 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/wiki/index.php/Jogl_Tutorial
20140205 20:34:52 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/jogl/doc/NEWT-Overview.html
20140205 20:35:34 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/wiki/index.php/Setting_up_a_JogAmp_project_in_your_favorite_IDE
20140205 20:36:12 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/wiki/index.php/Building_JOGL_in_Eclipse
20140205 20:36:25 <sgothel> .. Good luck & have fun!
20140205 20:37:16 <phao_> =D
20140205 20:37:17 <phao_> Thanks.
20140205 20:37:27 <phao_> I'm going to save those links. hehe
20140205 20:40:42 <rmk0> phao_: http://waste.io7m.com/2014/02/05/TestGL3.java
20140205 20:41:15 <rmk0> phao_: opens a window, tells it to refresh at whatever the current vsync rate is, clears the window to blue every frame
20140205 20:41:25 <rmk0> that's using NEWT, which is almost certainly what you want to use
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20140205 20:42:14 <phao_> Ok.
20140205 20:42:15 <phao_> Thanks
20140205 20:42:41 <rmk0> if you want input handling, you add input listeners to the GLWindow in the same manner
20140205 20:42:56 <rmk0> addKeyListener(), etc
20140205 20:44:39 <rmk0> can more or less insert the contents of any opengl book into display()
20140205 20:47:23 <phao_> sure...
20140205 20:47:43 <phao_> from looking around, I am kind of almost certain I'll have to go through a C+opengl book
20140205 20:47:47 <phao_> or C++ and opengl
20140205 20:47:55 <rmk0> yeah, without a doubt
20140205 20:48:10 <phao_> well, gotta go
20140205 20:48:12 <phao_> thanks for helping
20140205 20:48:13 <rmk0> byeee!
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20140205 23:12:50 <Arcaedox> Hello , is anybody here ?
20140205 23:13:41 <hharrison> Nobody but us crickets
20140205 23:14:07 <Arcaedox> lol , hai there can you help me out ?
20140205 23:14:50 <hharrison> Just ask your question, if somebody can help, they will
20140205 23:16:02 <Arcaedox> kk , is there anysort of object you can put into NEWT window
20140205 23:16:14 <Arcaedox> like AWT has canvas?
20140205 23:26:34 <hharrison> I don't think so
20140205 23:26:51 <hharrison> (sorry, distracted currently, hopefully someone else will pop in)
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