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20150901 04:22:14 * Topic is 'http://jogamp.org | Hacking 3D Graphics, Multimedia and Processing across Devices | logs: http://jogamp.org/log/irc/?C=M;O=D'
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20150901 06:42:04 <elect> hi
20150901 07:25:53 <guillaum1> hey
20150901 07:26:40 <monsieur_max> hello
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20150901 07:33:42 <elect> salut
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20150901 07:47:37 <gouessej> Hi
20150901 07:48:11 <gouessej> guillaume1: Is it possible to use Jainja under Android?
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20150901 08:07:41 <xranby_f22> Hack: A typeface designed for source code http://sourcefoundry.org/hack/ with source code https://github.com/chrissimpkins/Hack
20150901 08:08:10 <xranby_f22> http://chrissimpkins.github.io/Hack/font-specimen.html <- still readable at 6 pixels size
20150901 08:18:22 <bruce-> I'd need a hi-dpi screen for that
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20150901 09:32:17 <guillaum1> gouessej: Hi. Yes ! On top the ART/Dalvik VM, or on top of the Linux kernel
20150901 09:33:29 <xranby> guillaum1: which deployment option would you recommend?
20150901 09:36:36 <guillaum1> Hi xranby. It's easier to use an existing VM, hence ART/Dalvik VM is the best choice IMHO
20150901 09:41:20 <xranby> sgothel: GL_GEOMETRY_SHADER_ARB is part of GL2GL3 v2.2.x https://jogamp.org/deployment/v2.2.0/javadoc/jogl/javadoc_jogl_spec/javax/media/opengl/GL2GL3.html#GL_GEOMETRY_SHADER_ARB but it is not found in v2.3.x hmm https://jogamp.org/deployment/v2.3.0/javadoc/jogl/javadoc_jogl_spec/com/jogamp/opengl/GL2GL3.html#GL_GEOMETRY_SHADER_ARB
20150901 09:43:28 <xranby> same with GL_GEOMETRY_INPUT_TYPE_ARB GL_GEOMETRY_OUTPUT_TYPE_ARB and GL_GEOMETRY_VERTICES_OUT_ARB
20150901 09:44:03 * xranby found this while trying to patch GLG2D to use 2.3.x and later
20150901 09:57:47 <xranby> i found the above symbols in GL3
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20150901 11:10:55 <Eclesia> hi
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20150901 11:28:09 <xranby> Eclesia_Last_Day: hi! last day of what!?
20150901 11:28:21 <xranby> are you leaving us?
20150901 11:29:06 * xranby clones Eclesia hg's asap
20150901 11:31:57 <xranby> https://bitbucket.org/Eclesia/
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20150901 11:37:15 <Eclesia_Last_Day> xranby: just for holidays, 2 weeks :)
20150901 11:37:23 <xranby> enjoy!
20150901 11:38:16 <xranby> guillaum1: did you manage to get unlicense running on jainja?
20150901 11:39:12 <xranby> guillaum1: i am looking forward to the next jainja release with the x86_64 fix
20150901 12:00:47 <Eclesia_Last_Day> jainja + jogamp + unlicense ... that would bring us very close to self-sufficiency. ^^
20150901 12:44:08 <guillaum1> xranby: not yet. Will do before the end of the week.
20150901 12:49:46 <guillaum1> You guys remember Jainja is a simplistic interpreter and will never be close to something like JamVM. So don't expect very good performance. It's the tradeoff to keep it small and portable
20150901 12:59:02 <elect> I dont get, we did all those discourses about pooling object to minimize the GC and then I read here gouessej saying object pooling is inefficient since java 1.4 http://www.java-gaming.org/topics/clearing-or-make-new-array/32061/view.html
20150901 13:02:13 <Eclesia_Last_Day> guillaum1: I don't mind, one thing at the time. 1-make it work, 2-make it clean, 3-make it tested, 4-make it efficient
20150901 13:15:07 <guillaum1> +1 ;-)
20150901 13:19:40 <monsieur_max> make it : 1. Harder, 2. Better, 3. Faster, 4. Stronger
20150901 13:20:18 <bruce-> hehe
20150901 13:21:42 <bruce-> I have that as a reminder next to my door http://fileunderpopular.com/preview/hbfs-1.png
20150901 13:22:12 <monsieur_max> nice :)
20150901 13:27:17 <elect> does it work?
20150901 13:28:44 <bruce-> I have a gut feeling saying it does
20150901 13:29:03 <elect> :D
20150901 13:39:31 <elect> sell it to me
20150901 13:39:39 <elect> how many gouda you want?
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20150901 14:17:01 <Eclesia_Last_Day> xranby: You really did fork all my projects! lol
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20150901 14:35:03 <monsieur_max> Eclesia_Last_Day_Of_Work ?
20150901 14:35:29 <monsieur_max> ah ok backlogged :P
20150901 14:42:51 <sgothel> @Eclesia: Happy holidays
20150901 14:43:00 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/deployment/archive/master/gluegen_886-joal_612-jogl_1433-jocl_1079/ .. the usual daily
20150901 14:44:24 <sgothel> http://jogamp.org/deployment/archive/master/gluegen_886-joal_612-jogl_1433-jocl_1079-signed/
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20150901 19:06:01 <Eclesia_Last_Day> okay, time to finish packing, see you again in 2 weeks !
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20150901 19:50:13 <elect> lucky you ^^
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20150902 05:53:35 <elect> hi
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20150902 06:23:36 <xranby_f22> Hey #JogAmp #JOGL people take a survey if you want to deploy w/ AOT on mobile, desktop & ARM SoC devices using RoboVM http://robovm.com/stop-survey-time/
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20150902 08:21:44 <xranby> Turkey: Journalists charged over use of #encryption software http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/vice-news-fixer-arrested-encryption-software-150901200622345.html
20150902 08:37:42 <elect> sad but nothing new
20150902 08:39:20 <elect> we westerns are the first guilty by selling malicious software to track and intercept people in country with no speech freedon
20150902 08:41:51 <xranby> A state with surveillance may be described as Sauron in the Lord of The Rings, but a defender of democracy is he not.
20150902 08:43:05 <xranby> Thus defenders of democracy should and must stop the undemocratic behaviour by stand up for our democratic rights to choose our ruler
20150902 08:47:07 <xranby> as a people our responsibility is to never re-elect corrupt people
20150902 08:47:26 <xranby> we cant be blamed for other peoples corruption
20150902 08:47:38 <xranby> but we can choose not to re-elect them
20150902 08:48:31 <xranby> and having a track record of doing bad things is not a legitimize retroactive blessing to continue doing it
20150902 08:53:02 <elect> I guess you dont know which kind of software I mean, google hacking-team to get an idea
20150902 08:54:21 <elect> you cant expect that countries with no or limited freedom to be able to get better by itself
20150902 08:54:46 <elect> it might, but it is very difficult
20150902 08:55:13 <xranby> its very good that hacking team is exposed, it makes us aware what our currently elected rulers does
20150902 08:55:53 <elect> take a look to their clients
20150902 08:56:09 <xranby> i know, hence i will not vote for them
20150902 08:56:17 <elect> turkey was among them together with many other nice states
20150902 08:59:03 <elect> they dont need your vote, that's the point
20150902 09:28:26 <xranby> elect: would you choose to stay passive obly because someone say it is no point trying?
20150902 09:30:08 <elect> what you mean?
20150902 09:31:49 <elect> those companies have a silent agreement and connections with mostly of political parties
20150902 09:32:08 <elect> it is difficult to find one who says clearly it is contrary
20150902 09:32:22 <xranby> I mean as an individual you have two choices: A (do something ) and B (stay passive)
20150902 09:32:57 <xranby> think of these two choices as two columns in a diagram
20150902 09:33:37 <elect> there isn't much one can do a part being aware and rise up the attention on this aspects
20150902 09:33:47 <xranby> then you have input sources telling you that you A you cant change the world and B you can change the world
20150902 09:33:56 <xranby> think of these two options as rows in the diagram
20150902 09:34:22 <xranby> now think of the consequences by combining the options
20150902 09:34:49 <elect> the solution should be a more direct control of democratic power
20150902 09:35:20 <elect> where many thematic gets exposed and asked to citizien
20150902 09:35:38 <elect> we have the instruments
20150902 09:35:41 <xranby> you will find out that the only choice with a good outcome is if you choose column A
20150902 09:37:32 <elect> I agree, but I am not saying to stay passive, I am saying it will be relevant only when a sensitive number of people get to know that
20150902 09:37:46 <xranby> good that you agree
20150902 09:37:56 <xranby> then you also know you must choose column A
20150902 09:38:02 <xranby> and tell people
20150902 09:38:26 <elect> until then, you can evaluate your vote for all the time you want, but it is gonna change nothing on that, unfortunately
20150902 09:39:27 <xranby> elect: making people awaye is more worth comparing since it is a leverage of your vote
20150902 09:39:48 <xranby> thus you should stop arguing with me and convince people to choose column A
20150902 09:39:49 <elect> exactly
20150902 09:40:08 <xranby> great
20150902 09:40:14 <xranby> lets continue hunting down bugs
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20150902 13:16:28 <a11mad11> hi, i have a quetsion about indexing in vao, is it a way to o different index for vertex,normal,texcoord or i need to short them
20150902 13:17:36 <a11mad11> I read my data from an obj and a face can be define with vertex a and normal b
20150902 13:21:06 <a11mad11> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavefront_.obj_file#Vertex_Indices
20150902 13:38:00 <rmk0> a11mad11: hi. could you rephrase that? i'm not sure what the question is...
20150902 14:23:27 <a11mad11> hen i read my obj file and store data, the vertex and normal arent aligned, for a cube i can have 8 vertex and 4 normal
20150902 14:23:52 <a11mad11> when
20150902 14:26:36 <a11mad11> i have one index for vertex, one for normal and another for texcoord per point per face.
20150902 14:46:29 <elect> every vertex attributes must be the same size
20150902 14:46:53 <elect> so x attributes for positions, x for normals, x for texCoord and so on
20150902 14:46:57 <elect> you cant escape that
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20150902 15:38:37 <sgothel> https://jogamp.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1211#c1 .. etc .. <- discussion?
20150902 15:40:17 <sgothel> Bug 1211 - Hardening Condition-Wait from Spurious-Wakeups and unintended InterruptedException(s)
20150902 15:40:24 <sgothel> ^^ worthwhile a discussion ..
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20150902 15:40:41 <a11mad11> so i need to copy and sort them to alinge them to the vertex
20150902 15:40:48 <sgothel> https://jogamp.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1211#c4 <- list of Jogamp's condition-wait and classification
20150902 15:41:17 <sgothel> Spurious-Wakeups should be covered AFAIK ..
20150902 15:41:41 <sgothel> ^^ Persistent-Wait
20150902 15:42:13 <sgothel> Persistent-Wait: wait inside while-loop on condition
20150902 15:42:13 <sgothel> Simple-Wait: just using wait w/o while-loop on condition
20150902 15:42:13 <sgothel> Cancelable: Propagating InterruptedException
20150902 15:42:13 <sgothel> Noncancelable: Swallows InterruptedException, implies Persistent-Wait!
20150902 15:42:55 <sgothel> Remaining question: Noncancelable ->Swallows InterruptedException
20150902 15:44:03 <sgothel> the latter can retain the interrupted status, or provide this information via [1] a custom flag or [2] an UncaughtException handler - a timeout can also be provided
20150902 15:44:35 <sgothel> The real question is .. is the interrupt legitimate and shall we end waiting for the condition
20150902 15:45:13 <sgothel> hence .. I will test this via overriding Thread.interrupt() and see who causes it in the one use-case Xerxes pointed out (NEWT's DefaultEDTImpl)
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20150902 16:13:49 <chamo> Hey! One question: I am suffering from bug 1170 which got fixed in version 2.3.2. When is this version going to be released?
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20150902 19:06:40 <a11mad11> after learnig the base of shader, what i should learn?
20150902 19:11:43 <monsieur_max> klingon
20150902 19:19:14 <a11mad11> star-trek?
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20150902 23:46:07 <sgothel> OT: .. almost missed the creation of a new state .. <http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2015/09/02/welcome-to-liberland-the-tiny-strip-of-land-in-europe-to-which-360000-people-have-applied-for-citizenship/ >
20150903 00:26:33 <sgothel> https://github.com/liberland .. 'a country on github' :)
20150903 00:27:18 <sgothel> I probably should have quoted 'a country' :) .. sure, it is not recognized by any other country ..
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